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spiderprince

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redhulk the strangely subdued due to cheating GF

Subj: Re: Let me ask you this....
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 at 10:28:53 am EST
Reply Subj: Re: Let me ask you this....
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 at 09:55:55 am EST

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> > I think it´s a new era for the Avengers, with only street level characters in their ranks, except for Dr. Strange who is just too much power for a team like that; I´m willing to give this series a shot, I just don´t see Stephen Strange following orders from Cage, that would be weird (IMO).
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> > Hopefully Strange would just get bored and will try to reform the original Defenders \:\-D (you can only hope...!)
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> Would Doc take orders from Cap in your opinion? And if so, why not Cage?
I think you are angling that this is somehow a racist or classist statement but Nope i can't see it either. Cage has a cool 'shaft' factor and street 'smarts' but i don't think this is in anyway comparable to Cap.

Cap is a leader, cage is sort of a spirit raiser, you follow him into battle but you much prefer someone to know what the hell you are doing there in the first place.

I wouldn't want cage ordering me, prefer Cap, if you think it is somehow due to cage's background i would also say Blackpanther, and Storm, are way ahead as leaders compared to cage.
The classic leaders such as Cyclops, Prof X, ironman, Ms Marvel, would all do a FAR better job.
Heck lets go left field and suggest Ironfist, daredevil, baron Zemo..
Cage really does hope his durablity gets him out of scraps, not really what you want as a leader no matter how cool he has got.

ALL those people i think of before i get to cage....Hell, punisher, Wasp, She hulk, Hank Pym, Reed Richards, Sue Storm, Thor, Doom, Jean grey, Emma frost, are all WAY ahead of luke cage who really does only see the smaller picture (the streets) which is great but you need someone who looks out for everyone and everything not his own self centered issues, it would be too much about his streets or his kid. A bit of the same failings as the Thing or Spiderman. Can't be leaders as they really see things from a very 'family' unit.
The others have a coldness cage doesn't have and is what STRANGE has, this guy could let thousands die while fasting as he see's the big picture. Cage would kill the world to save his son. While admirable and most of us would agree with him and follow that, You can scariliy imagine strange and cap sacrificing one for the many.

sure give me cage in a fight with not to difficult opponents, otherwise please get me the real deal the the Hulk, who i would also think has better tactical knowledge than cagey, and would smear the floor with him.

Redhulk the pessimist not too many digs please \:P

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> I think you are angling that this is somehow a racist or classist statement but Nope i can't see it either. Cage has a cool 'shaft' factor and street 'smarts' but i don't think this is in anyway comparable to Cap.
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> Cap is a leader, cage is sort of a spirit raiser, you follow him into battle but you much prefer someone to know what the hell you are doing there in the first place.
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> I wouldn't want cage ordering me, prefer Cap, if you think it is somehow due to cage's background i would also say Blackpanther, and Storm, are way ahead as leaders compared to cage.
> The classic leaders such as Cyclops, Prof X, ironman, Ms Marvel, would all do a FAR better job.
> Heck lets go left field and suggest Ironfist, daredevil, baron Zemo..
> Cage really does hope his durablity gets him out of scraps, not really what you want as a leader no matter how cool he has got.
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> ALL those people i think of before i get to cage....Hell, punisher, Wasp, She hulk, Hank Pym, Reed Richards, Sue Storm, Thor, Doom, Jean grey, Emma frost, are all WAY ahead of luke cage who really does only see the smaller picture (the streets) which is great but you need someone who looks out for everyone and everything not his own self centered issues, it would be too much about his streets or his kid. A bit of the same failings as the Thing or Spiderman. Can't be leaders as they really see things from a very 'family' unit.
> The others have a coldness cage doesn't have and is what STRANGE has, this guy could let thousands die while fasting as he see's the big picture. Cage would kill the world to save his son. While admirable and most of us would agree with him and follow that, You can scariliy imagine strange and cap sacrificing one for the many.
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> sure give me cage in a fight with not to difficult opponents, otherwise please get me the real deal the the Hulk, who i would also think has better tactical knowledge than cagey, and would smear the floor with him.

Wow, really shorthanding Cage here aren't you? I won't even go into the tactics thing cause I don't think anyone here will even argue that Cage is better at it than Cap, but Cage does know what he's doing. He's shown himself to be versatile in a way that allows him to hang with opponents who outclass him. Cage is a spirit raiser, but so is Cap. In a way thats even more effective than someone who know's what to do. I mean, what good is knowing all the moves if you no one who's willing to follow you? Again, I think the reason Cage is leader now is because he can see things from a different perspective (you say smaller scall, I say from the everyman perspective). I think his different perspective will be useful for the type of team the New Avengers is shaping up to be (I wouldn't place him as a leader of say the Mighty Avengers or Fantastic Four).

Also Cap would never sacrifice one life (unless it was his own) even if it came down to saving many more. Cap is very ideological and many respects so is Cage. Stange will do it without breaking a sweat but not Cap. Probably this is one of the key similarities I see between Cap and Cage that make me think he's very well suited to lead THIS team of Avengers


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