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Brand Echh

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spiderprince

Subj: Re: Disagree
Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 at 02:36:53 am EDT
Reply Subj: Disagree
Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 at 08:03:22 pm EDT

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> Clint just ain't the type to stay underground and stealthy for long. Sure that's how he started and he's gone underground and incognito several times over his career... but he could never stay that way. He loves the limelight too much.

Clint is far from a glory hound. He left the Avengers to help the Thunderbolts. If that doesn't say that the guy doesn't care what other people think I don't know what does.

> And as cynical as he acts, he's an optimist at heart. He believes the best in people even when he says otherwise and even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Not sure what this has to with joining the Initiative.

> Now, that doesn't mean for a second he would turn on his friends, so he'd never really side with Tony should it come to blows, and I don't see Tony asking him to join the Mighty Avengers for just that reason.

He wouldn't join the MA and your right that Tony wouldn't even ask him.

> On the other hand, he would jump at the chance to train the next generation, and that's just what I see him doing. He'd be perfect for the Initiative.

Normally I would agree, but I can't see him siding with the system just to get to help the kids. For the reasons you listed and keeping with Clints personality I always thought that he would be the perfect mentor for the Young Avengers (or at least the ones who aren't with the Initiative like Patriot or Hawkeye). He'd still be helping the younger generation but they at least have the choice to do what they do.


> Clint is far from a glory hound. He left the Avengers to help the Thunderbolts. If that doesn't say that the guy doesn't care what other people think I don't know what does.

Right, but how long did that last? His own stated goal was to show the world (and more specifically the Avengers) that these guys could reform. He wanted to do this publically, not just for his own piece of mind. However he excuses it, it was still about attention. It was for the right reasons, sure, but it still was about attention.

Cable is the opposite of that. He took on the New Mutants, not to prove in public that these kids could be heroes, but because he knew they could be heroes. He did everything he could to keep them out of the public eye - which probably would have been a good idea for the Thunderbolts.

> > And as cynical as he acts, he's an optimist at heart. He believes the best in people even when he says otherwise and even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

> Not sure what this has to with joining the Initiative.

In other words, even if he acts like a rebel, he usually sticks with traditional super-heroic values.

> Normally I would agree, but I can't see him siding with the system just to get to help the kids. For the reasons you listed and keeping with Clints personality I always thought that he would be the perfect mentor for the Young Avengers (or at least the ones who aren't with the Initiative like Patriot or Hawkeye). He'd still be helping the younger generation but they at least have the choice to do what they do.

I maintain that this is exactly what he would do, and he would do it for the kids.

Don't misunderstandme. I'm not suggesting Hawkeye is a gloryhound out to get attention for himself, what I'm saying is, he has a good heart and wants to get the right things done - he just wants to do them in as public a way as possible.



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