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TheBlueSpoon

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Phil

Subj: Re: Thoughts about Hawkeye being anti-Reg... [SPOILERS]
Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 at 11:51:03 am EDT
Reply Subj: Re: Thoughts about Hawkeye being anti-Reg... [SPOILERS]
Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 at 08:10:55 am EDT

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> ...at first, I agreed with most people here that he would logically join Tony. First, they have more of a history than Clint does with Cap (wasn't Hawkeye's 1st appearance as an Iron Man rogue?). Additionally, both Tony and Hank were West Coast Avenger mainstays, back when no one was giving that team much love or respect. Clint owes a lot to Tony and Hank. And yes, Clint was taylor-made for the role of trainer for the Initiative.
>
> However, then I started thinking...
>
> ...Captain America and the Avengers represented the "law" back when they returned from Heroes Reborn, and the Thunderbolts had revealed themselves to be the Masters of Evil. But for all of Clint's admiration of Cap, he didn't let Steve's warnings deter him from working with these "underground heroes".
>
> Hawkeye always rooted for the little guy. That's why he led the WEST coast branch, not the main team. Why he gave up his slot on the main team's roster so Justice could finally see his dream of becoming an Avenger come through. Why he risked everything to help the "outlaw" Thunderbolts.
>
> Even now, he continues to work with underground heroes against the wishes of the established "authority". Except now, that authority isn't Cap - it's Tony. And ironically, it's Cap's side that's in the "untrusted renegades" role. Ironic, and worthy of mention -- you'd think writers would have touched on this instead of just making Hawkeye appear out of nowhere on one side.
>
> So I'll make Bendis' case for him \=\) by saying : it's not Hawkeye who rallied to the renegades' side. It's the Avengers.
>
> Hawkeye was always on it. As a West Coast Avenger, as a Thunderbolt, and now as a member of the resistance.
>
> Hawkeye should have been introduced saying something snarky like "Well, well, well..." (which could be translated as "Aren't you the guys that told me NOT to go help the other guys who were in the situation you're in now?")
>
> I'm actually a fan of Bendis, but he doesn't seem to take his 616 work half as seriously as he does Ultimate Spider-Man. So much of what he does can be explained... if only he took the time to do it.

This has never seemed like an issue to me. Really, Hawkee was the one anti-reg choice that was more obvious than cap. Hawkeye has always been on the underdog side. He hates government, since Gyrich. I can't think of anyone outside of D man who would be a more obvious ant reg hero.

Hawkeye would never be pro-registration. There has always been an anti-establishment element about Hawkeye.
Bendis has ruined the Avengers. It would have been better if Ronin was MOONRAKER than Hawkeye. And Moonraker was one of the WORST characters ever.

The X-Men have not be good in 10 years.
The Avengers have been terrible for the past 2 years.
Marvel had better thank Gerg Pak and Planet Hulk. THAT ROCKS!


> ...at first, I agreed with most people here that he would logically join Tony. First, they have more of a history than Clint does with Cap (wasn't Hawkeye's 1st appearance as an Iron Man rogue?). Additionally, both Tony and Hank were West Coast Avenger mainstays, back when no one was giving that team much love or respect. Clint owes a lot to Tony and Hank. And yes, Clint was taylor-made for the role of trainer for the Initiative.
> >
> > However, then I started thinking...
> >
> > ...Captain America and the Avengers represented the "law" back when they returned from Heroes Reborn, and the Thunderbolts had revealed themselves to be the Masters of Evil. But for all of Clint's admiration of Cap, he didn't let Steve's warnings deter him from working with these "underground heroes".
> >
> > Hawkeye always rooted for the little guy. That's why he led the WEST coast branch, not the main team. Why he gave up his slot on the main team's roster so Justice could finally see his dream of becoming an Avenger come through. Why he risked everything to help the "outlaw" Thunderbolts.
> >
> > Even now, he continues to work with underground heroes against the wishes of the established "authority". Except now, that authority isn't Cap - it's Tony. And ironically, it's Cap's side that's in the "untrusted renegades" role. Ironic, and worthy of mention -- you'd think writers would have touched on this instead of just making Hawkeye appear out of nowhere on one side.
> >
> > So I'll make Bendis' case for him \=\) by saying : it's not Hawkeye who rallied to the renegades' side. It's the Avengers.
> >
> > Hawkeye was always on it. As a West Coast Avenger, as a Thunderbolt, and now as a member of the resistance.
> >
> > Hawkeye should have been introduced saying something snarky like "Well, well, well..." (which could be translated as "Aren't you the guys that told me NOT to go help the other guys who were in the situation you're in now?")
> >
> > I'm actually a fan of Bendis, but he doesn't seem to take his 616 work half as seriously as he does Ultimate Spider-Man. So much of what he does can be explained... if only he took the time to do it.
>
> This has never seemed like an issue to me. Really, Hawkee was the one anti-reg choice that was more obvious than cap. Hawkeye has always been on the underdog side. He hates government, since Gyrich. I can't think of anyone outside of D man who would be a more obvious ant reg hero.


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