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Redhulk

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Sandman

Subj: Re: Ronin seems made for the Initiative to me. [SPOILERS]
Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 at 10:52:13 pm EDT
Reply Subj: Re: Ronin seems made for the Initiative to me. [SPOILERS]
Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 at 08:21:42 pm EDT

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> > Clint just ain't the type to stay underground and stealthy for long.
> > Sure that's how he started and he's gone underground and incognito
> > several times over his career... but he could never stay that way. He
> > loves the limelight too much.
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> Limelight can be achieved while underground and incognito.
>
> > And as cynical as he acts, he's an optimist at heart. He believes the
> > best in people even when he says otherwise and even in the face of
> > overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
>
> His cynical nature is what would keep him Anti-Reg. His optimistism is what keeps him a hero. And by his very words, going way back, he believes that the best in people comes from independence from government controls.
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> > Now, that doesn't mean for a second he would turn on his friends, so
> > he'd never really side with Tony should it come to blows, and I don't
> > see Tony asking him to join the Mighty Avengers for just that reason.
> >
> > On the other hand, he would jump at the chance to train the next
> > generation, and that's just what I see him doing. He'd be perfect for
> > the Initiative.
>
> Unfortunately, you can be both Initiative and Anti-Reg. Plus, if he did decide to try the Initiative way, it wouldn't work out for long, because he's too rebellious and his views are diametrically opposed to everyone in control of the Initiative. He wouldn't stand for a single thing any of them are doing for a split second.

He be the one with the kids' best interest in mind and be on Cloud 9's side who joined to get a license to use her powers and start punching people like Gauntlet and Gyrich, as well as Tony and Pym, for being irresponsible hypocrites who send untrained and underaged kids to a battle as if they were weapons to be used. He would never agreed to such insanity and when he trained the Great Lake Avengers, he made sure there were fail-safes in the training and make sure they were ready like a professional.
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> He be the one with the kids' best interest in mind and be on Cloud 9's side who joined to get a license to use her powers and start punching people like Gauntlet and Gyrich, as well as Tony and Pym, for being irresponsible hypocrites who send untrained and underaged kids to a battle as if they were weapons to be used. He would never agreed to such insanity and when he trained the Great Lake Avengers, he made sure there were fail-safes in the training and make sure they were ready like a professional.

I think he would only do that if it was training as an INDEPENDENT school outside of the governements control like Xaviers or a new (new) Avengers.

No way on earth Clint would even bother toeing the line for the government and protecting the kids through training just so they could be mindbleached soldiers put into conflict situations for political ends.

Clint might be for training but he is not for producing soldiers out of kids who don't want to kill people nor beleive in in the political idealogy of the govenrment just as the Government would want a secular government free from religion, Hawkeye would want a secular Avengers free from politics.

the USA is not the avengers as soon you start thinking it is you have problems the initivive is a USA centric world police.

the Avengers just happened to be a cosmic/godly/alien beings BASED in the USA...
the inherient problem of the Initive is if the USA suddenly voted in a facist governemnt, a communist government or some other kind of government that was democratically elected but had overly right wing or left wing ideas they instantly get a superhero police state to enforce their agenda.


Inititive is NOT just about training the kids its about USING them for the agendas that the governemnt see fit. Maybe we would see them being put to work to stop a strike in a steel making factory, or in a premeptive attack on a soverign nation, or even a revenge attack on a nation that has commited terrorism on it (a bit like Hulks reason to invade the US)

The inititive is only good as long as the US government in marvel comics is righteous and pure.

So knowing Hawkeye, No he would not HELP train little murderers.

And apologies to all Soldiers out there but they are not paid to think, if told to shoot to kill they must do it, now imagine if a young peter parker was told to do that? He would be a pacifist and labelled a coward, he would try a non lethal way, he would FAIL the initiave as such, he couldn't do what cloud 9 did.

In fact most superheros would make awful soldiers as push comes to shove they would NOT resort to lethal force to protect the nation.