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BlakGard

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Omar Karindu

Subj: Re: My theories on Illuminati #3 [SPOILERS]
Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 at 12:23:27 am EDT (Viewed 2 times)
Reply Subj: Re: My theories on Illuminati #3 [SPOILERS]
Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 at 11:20:16 pm EDT (Viewed 3 times)

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> Well my biggest theory and biggest retcon that would result from this issue is this: the Beyonder never came to Earth during Secret Wars II. Looks like he conjured up all the heroes so he could act out his own fantasies.

Doesn't work, because too many of his actions on Earth in SWII and its crossovers had lasting consequences. You'd have to throw out, just for starters, Kurse as a Thor character, Rick Jones being cured of cancer in an ongoing Hulk plotline, and Doctor Doom regaining his original body after it was destoyed by Terrax and the Silver Surfer. And if you're willign to look at less "important" plotlines, you'll find more untenable revisions if that's what this retcon is meant to do.

And you know, that would be fine if the story in Illuminati #3 were doing anything especially interesting...but it's not. It's a clumsy effort to use some rather strained Marvel technobabble -- what, pray tell, is a "mutant Inhuman" anyway? -- to make sure that one member of the hastily-retconned in Illuminati is responsible in some way for every major Marvel event.

Issues like Illuminati #3 illustrate the weakness of the Illuminati as a retconned organization, because they flag up the fact that those older stories don't work if you pretend this council of super-types was behind the scenes for their events.

> The F4 issue would have to be another retcon: The Beyonder just made them see what he wanted them to see.
>
> I think the bigger issue raised here is that the Beyonder's abilities are just like Scarlet Witch's. So if they tell him to leave their universe, why did they drop the ball so poorly with Wanda?
>
> Another thing I can see is that they might set Beyonder and Wanda up together in the future. It would parallel her brother's marriage to an Inhuman.
>
> > Could someone please explain that issue? Does this mean that the Beyonders third appearance in FF was totally false? Is he still a undeveloped Cosmic Cube or a mutant Inhuman? ...or both? Why wouldn't the heroes remember this meeting during his next two appearances? Was he just messing with the Illuminati and was really a cosmic cube? What did Doctor Strange do at the end of the story? Did he cast a spell to make the rest forget or to not be able to sense the Beyonder? Did he do something to the Beyonder? I just don't understand what this story was supposed to do - all it did was "muddy" our understanding of the Beyonder. Do any of you think you understand what really happen?
> >
> > Thanks!

- Omar Karindu

"A Renoir. I have three, myself. I had four, but ordered one burned...It
displeased me." -- Doctor Doom

"It's not, 'Oh, they killed Sue Dibney and I always loved that character,' it's 'Oh, they broke a story engine that could have told a thousand stories in order to publish a single 'important' one.'" -- John Seavey

> > Well my biggest theory and biggest retcon that would result from
> > this issue is this: the Beyonder never came to Earth during Secret
> > Wars II. Looks like he conjured up all the heroes so he could act
> > out his own fantasies.
>
> Doesn't work, because too many of his actions on Earth in SWII and
> its crossovers had lasting consequences. You'd have to throw out,
> just for starters, Kurse as a Thor character, Rick Jones being cured
> of cancer in an ongoing Hulk plotline, and Doctor Doom regaining his
> original body after it was destoyed by Terrax and the Silver Surfer.
> And if you're willign to look at less "important" plotlines, you'll
> find more untenable revisions if that's what this retcon is meant to
> do.
>
> And you know, that would be fine if the story in Illuminati #3 were
> doing anything especially interesting...but it's not. It's a clumsy
> effort to use some rather strained Marvel technobabble -- what, pray
> tell, is a "mutant Inhuman" anyway? -- to make sure that one member
> of the hastily-retconned in Illuminati is responsible in some way
> for every major Marvel event.

I agree that it's clumsy, but a "mutant Inhuman" is hardly a new concept or one that needs much explanation.
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