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BlakGard

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Omar Karindu

Subj: Re: My theories on Illuminati #3 [SPOILERS]
Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 at 07:49:15 pm EDT (Viewed 2 times)
Reply Subj: Re: My theories on Illuminati #3 [SPOILERS]
Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 at 11:43:06 am EDT (Viewed 3 times)

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> > > > Well my biggest theory and biggest retcon that would result from
> > > > this issue is this: the Beyonder never came to Earth during Secret
> > > > Wars II. Looks like he conjured up all the heroes so he could act
> > > > out his own fantasies.
> > >
> > > Doesn't work, because too many of his actions on Earth in SWII and
> > > its crossovers had lasting consequences. You'd have to throw out,
> > > just for starters, Kurse as a Thor character, Rick Jones being cured
> > > of cancer in an ongoing Hulk plotline, and Doctor Doom regaining his
> > > original body after it was destoyed by Terrax and the Silver Surfer.
> > > And if you're willign to look at less "important" plotlines, you'll
> > > find more untenable revisions if that's what this retcon is meant to
> > > do.
> > >
> > > And you know, that would be fine if the story in Illuminati #3 were
> > > doing anything especially interesting...but it's not. It's a clumsy
> > > effort to use some rather strained Marvel technobabble -- what, pray
> > > tell, is a "mutant Inhuman" anyway? -- to make sure that one member
> > > of the hastily-retconned in Illuminati is responsible in some way
> > > for every major Marvel event.
> >
> > I agree that it's clumsy, but a "mutant Inhuman" is hardly a new concept or one that needs much explanation.

Yes...and no. There are Inhumans born with powers, and Inhumans mutated by Terrigenation to gain powers, but the idea in Illuminati #3 seems to be that the Beyonder is some kind of oddity with the x-gene or an analogue of it that caused Terrigenation to make him omnipotent instead of merely powerful.

And frankly, that's a bit strained in that the "mutant" part of the deisgnation is only there so that Xavier can make the deduction, and so that the Beyonder is "really" within the purview of Xavier and Black Bolt rather than being something...well, beyond those designations.

That's what I meant when I called it "strained Marvel technobabble." It sounds silly -- we've rarely seen Inhumans born with powers called "mutants" before, because "Inhuman" is infinitely simpler -- and the reason for the double technobabble of "mutant" AND "Inhuman" is pretty obviously not for clarity's sake, but for the (rather clumsy, as we agree) purpose of the story.

Luckily for all of us, though, it's just the Beyonder, and so likely to remain just a footnote. It's not as if there's a huge clamor by fans or creators for more of Shooter's folly, is there?

> Well, the Inhumans are already pretty much the same as mutants, especially as some of them are born with their powers not needing the Terrigen treatment. So the confusion is understandable.

Yeah, my objection was stated poorly; it's more about the sheer weakness of the conceit than some sort of grave "misunderstanding" of Marvel technobabble on the story's part.

Can we all agree that the story is kind of dumb and move on? And also tat I need to cool it with the Kirby-style quotation marks?

- Omar Karindu

"A Renoir. I have three, myself. I had four, but ordered one burned...It
displeased me." -- Doctor Doom

"It's not, 'Oh, they killed Sue Dibney and I always loved that character,' it's 'Oh, they broke a story engine that could have told a thousand stories in order to publish a single 'important' one.'" -- John Seavey

> > > > And you know, that would be fine if the story in Illuminati #3
> > > > were doing anything especially interesting...but it's not. It's
> > > > a clumsy effort to use some rather strained Marvel technobabble
> > > > -- what, pray tell, is a "mutant Inhuman" anyway? -- to make
> > > > sure that one member of the hastily-retconned in Illuminati is
> > > > responsible in some way for every major Marvel event.
> > >
> > > I agree that it's clumsy, but a "mutant Inhuman" is hardly a new
> > > concept or one that needs much explanation.
>
> Yes...and no. There are Inhumans born with powers, and Inhumans
> mutated by Terrigenation to gain powers, but the idea in Illuminati #3
> seems to be that the Beyonder is some kind of oddity with the x-gene
> or an analogue of it that caused Terrigenation to make him omnipotent
> instead of merely powerful.
>
> And frankly, that's a bit strained in that the "mutant" part of the
> deisgnation is only there so that Xavier can make the deduction, and
> so that the Beyonder is "really" within the purview of Xavier and
> Black Bolt rather than being something...well, beyond those
> designations.
>
> That's what I meant when I called it "strained Marvel technobabble."
> It sounds silly -- we've rarely seen Inhumans born with powers called
> "mutants" before, because "Inhuman" is infinitely simpler -- and the
> reason for the double technobabble of "mutant" AND "Inhuman" is pretty
> obviously not for clarity's sake, but for the (rather clumsy, as we
> agree) purpose of the story.
>
> Luckily for all of us, though, it's just the Beyonder, and so likely
> to remain just a footnote. It's not as if there's a huge clamor by
> fans or creators for more of Shooter's folly, is there?
>
> > Well, the Inhumans are already pretty much the same as mutants,
> > especially as some of them are born with their powers not needing
> > the Terrigen treatment. So the confusion is understandable.
>
> Yeah, my objection was stated poorly; it's more about the sheer
> weakness of the conceit than some sort of grave "misunderstanding" of
> Marvel technobabble on the story's part.
>
> Can we all agree that the story is kind of dumb and move on?

Yeah. It's best to move on. Just pointing out that we have seen mutant Inhumans in the past, so this shouldn't be a shock on that level. I really just don't see the point in revisiting Beyonder (at all). At this point, I preferred him being some kind of Eternity-type being from another universe.
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