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AuntMayMustDie

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Redhulk

Subj: Re: Many people have wanted to get taken up the Avengers tower
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 04:19:32 am EST
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 07:41:25 pm EST

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> Are there any other gay characters in the Marvel U besides Wiccan, Hulkling, Northstar, Anole, and Karma? I think they need to be represented more. Your thoughts?
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> I think that they don't need to be represented more unless they bring a new or different perspective; Gay for its own sake doesn't contribute. In many instances we have no idea of a character's religion or sexual preference, because for the vast majority of those characters who the characters really are is irrelevant to their role in the story.
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> In the case of Wiccan and Hulkling, its integral to the characters' dynamic and to the team dynamic.


Yup totally agree, i know comics have to relate to people and almost make tokenism part of its entire philosophy, yet a smattering of it is fine just if you try to hard to represent every minority you soon make it look NOTHING like real life if the intention was infact to balance it out.

Most comics deal with these subjects in very good and non direct ways.

You can read the xmen and think of it as a racial statement about black suppression and yet you don't need any of the characters to be ethnic unless it really makes sense,

Personally i like that better, if you made the xmen a totally black group then unfortunately they could easily be steered into being ONLY about that issue....Zzzzzz

Yet if you keep them as they are i feel it can create a mental meme that may wake up a few more conservative and white people from their sleeps by putting them in situations they have never felt (as they are relating with the character)

So you put a gay team in the world and yes a lot of people would relate yet the majority would probably be turned off so any stories or points you want to make with the gay team would be lost, You put a redneck hetro team in gay situations

(no, not like having to plan a wedding, but situations that REALLY are serious such as having to face prejudice, violence, rejection)

And you soon get the point across about what it FEELS like to be in those situations and then they can relate more...

Having Avengers comprised of Cap Gay, Hydrocephalus Kid, Rd Dyslexic, Irritable old facist man, and auntie kleptomanicalbulimic may indeed represent the real world yet starts to become a mardi gras spectacular of crassness and repulsivness that any point is lost.

So sure all means have gay characters but dont force it....*honestly no pun intended





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You're reply made some interesting points...but in the end it was retarded. A gay character doesn't mean they have to always be doing gay things. Or working on gay issues. All I'm saying is you have a team of most likely 7 to 10 people. Those people all react differently. If you had a gay character in there it would be just another reaction. The idea that if you had a gay character they would have to make the team act like they were at pride or a gay bar, is just ignorant. I just one a character that likes guys. Ultimate does it with Collosus, and the storylines don't revolve around gay stuff all the time. Yes it has some storylines that deal with hate, or Collosus goes to the prom...they are awesome stories. The idea that gays can only be involved in a gay situation is so homophobic. Thats like having Luke Cage only lead the Avengers when it is a black issue. Stupid. Really stupid.
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> > Are there any other gay characters in the Marvel U besides Wiccan, Hulkling, Northstar, Anole, and Karma? I think they need to be represented more. Your thoughts?
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> > I think that they don't need to be represented more unless they bring a new or different perspective; Gay for its own sake doesn't contribute. In many instances we have no idea of a character's religion or sexual preference, because for the vast majority of those characters who the characters really are is irrelevant to their role in the story.
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> > In the case of Wiccan and Hulkling, its integral to the characters' dynamic and to the team dynamic.
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> Yup totally agree, i know comics have to relate to people and almost make tokenism part of its entire philosophy, yet a smattering of it is fine just if you try to hard to represent every minority you soon make it look NOTHING like real life if the intention was infact to balance it out.
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> Most comics deal with these subjects in very good and non direct ways.
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> You can read the xmen and think of it as a racial statement about black suppression and yet you don't need any of the characters to be ethnic unless it really makes sense,
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> Personally i like that better, if you made the xmen a totally black group then unfortunately they could easily be steered into being ONLY about that issue....Zzzzzz
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> Yet if you keep them as they are i feel it can create a mental meme that may wake up a few more conservative and white people from their sleeps by putting them in situations they have never felt (as they are relating with the character)
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> So you put a gay team in the world and yes a lot of people would relate yet the majority would probably be turned off so any stories or points you want to make with the gay team would be lost, You put a redneck hetro team in gay situations
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> (no, not like having to plan a wedding, but situations that REALLY are serious such as having to face prejudice, violence, rejection)
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> And you soon get the point across about what it FEELS like to be in those situations and then they can relate more...
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> Having Avengers comprised of Cap Gay, Hydrocephalus Kid, Rd Dyslexic, Irritable old facist man, and auntie kleptomanicalbulimic may indeed represent the real world yet starts to become a mardi gras spectacular of crassness and repulsivness that any point is lost.
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> So sure all means have gay characters but dont force it....*honestly no pun intended
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