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Omar Karindu

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Century: Your Alien Hero

Subj: Poor, doomed Tony Stark....
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 12:58:15 pm EST (Viewed 5 times)
Reply Subj: Oh really?
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 12:14:50 am EST

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> Stark,reed,namor,blackbolt,xavier, strange have made things worse in the 616. Think about it itwas them who invaded the skrull world and confronted the skrulls which led them to get captured and the lessons learned by the skrulls allowed them to create these new super skrulls.

As much as they may have angered the Skrulls with that, even if they never did it, what are the chances that the Skrulls would honestly stop trying to invade Earth? Seriously.

> Also now thanks to them taking the infinty gems the skrulls have the space gem.

That all depends on how long Black Bolt has been a Skrull, no? We don't know yet.

> Also the hulk decision backfired on them(except xavier) when the hulk came back mader and stronger then before with new allies and smarter and the combined war devestated new york.(I know they didn't land him on the planet or blew the ship up killing his wife but they had to know he would be back and he would be angry for screwing him and the tape of them admditing it was stupid.

Actually, for them (as opposed to for us readers), it wasn't really predictible/inevitable/probably, or even plausible, that he'd ever be able to return from where they were intending to send him. And let's face it, if Hulk lived on your planet, we'd pretty much all be in support of launching him into space.

Admitting what they'd done to him was a bad move, born of their absolute belief there'd be no way back home for him.

> And the indvidual members have caused numerous things on there own. Stark created weather satilites that were later used by Ultron to cause damages

So Stark should give up his job of inventing things in case Ultron should ever steal them?

> and lets not forget stark knew parts of dta from ultron where still there and didn't do anything about it.

He didn't exactly have much chance to do anything about it between #6-7, did he now?

> Reed and Stark and Pym created clor and it went screwy and killed golaith and also turned a powerful possible ally agianst stark in thor.

Yes, they have a death on their hands, and Hank is at least guilt-ridden over that. But as for Thor, who knew
a) Thor would ever be back?
b) Thor was anti-cloning?
c) Thor would cretinously blame Stark for something Reed and Hank did?

> Also we know all the spin tech and tech for the inative and thunder bolts are going to fall in enemy hands.

Stark and the Initiative aren't directly running the Thunderbolts. Whatever happens there, they're not to blame. And the Initiative's infiltrator is with Hydra, and thus doomed to fail worse than the Initiative ever could.

> With all the mistrust between super heros and starks side it is so open the door for the skrulls.

And yet most of the superhero community IS now registered and on Stark's side. All that's left are a couple of groups who can't accept that the war's over, and their side lost.

Arguably (and often convincingly argued to be) right on about the need to regulate supers and banish the Hulk, but defeated before he starts because he appears in superhero comics and hasn't worked that critical fact out. If he'd just listened to She-Hulk, all of this could have been avoided...

More seriously, though, Marvel really have set Tony up to fall hard downt he line, if only because superhero comics tend to read much better when the heroes are outside the system than when they're in it. There's a reason we like seeing the X-Men blow up billions of dollars in giant purple robots built with our tax dollars, and why Claremont was able to refit Magneto as a charismatic revolutionary rather than a ranting megalomaniac.

As long as Marvel needs to publish Spider-Man and Daredevil and Luke Cage, the SHRA will be flouted constantly; as long as there's a Hulk book (or two, these days), banishing big green is just going to bring him back madder than ever and looking for payback; and as long as Tony Stark is trying to rein in and regulate the superheroes for the good of those insignificant background ciphers who don't even appear on panel most of the time, all he really does is get in the way of big spectacular super-battles and wacky misunderstood outlaw heroes and audience-identification rookie heroes.

The SHRA and all that are perfectly, rationally, and logically right and good and smart if you're thinking about super-powers as if they existed in the real world. In the context of publishing superhero comics, though, they wind up sacrificing entertainment on the altar of an especially anal notion of plausibility. It's right up there with worrying about the contractors who worked on the Death Star, which makes for good geek conversation now and then but hardly enhances a viewing of Return of the Jedi.

I don't care about Miriam Sharpe and her poor dead son I'd never heard of before Civil War #1 anywhere near as much as I care about Namorita, a character who actually appeared in stories and in whom it was therefore possible to be invested. (I don't care about Speedball, though; I hate the aggressive stupidity that is Penance, but don't really wring my hands about that insignificant bouncy guy.)

But I really don't care what happens to the made-up and largely off-panel civilians in the made-up America that exists in Mark Millar's head. If they need to blow up and go splat and die horribly to make the stakes of the next big fight bigger, I say kill 'em all. It's not like the story's actually about them, and unlike real people, they have no names, no faces, no personalities, and no relatives (until those are made up too) for me to give one good damn about. I care about Spider-man and Iron Man and the Hulk.

When the comics are titled "Astonishing Adventures of Innocent Bystander-Man," I'll support the Tony because he fights for them folk. Until then, he's just a plot complication in my comics, annoying and harassing the protagonists I actually wanna read about. I don't really care if he's right in context at that point, because what he's right about doesn't exist anyway and bollixes up the narrative.

- Omar Karindu

"A Renoir. I have three, myself. I had four, but ordered one burned...It displeased me." -- Doctor Doom

"It's not, 'Oh, they killed Sue Dibney and I always loved that character,' it's 'Oh, they broke a story engine that could have told a thousand stories in order to publish a single 'important' one.'" -- John Seavey

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