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Subj: Re: Really.
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 06:47:56 pm EST
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 09:16:17 pm EST


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> The Illuminati failed to prevent Secret Wars 2 by telling the Beyonder to leave Earth alone, and haven't been "inserted" into any other past storylines at all, at least so far.

I assumed they eluded to them doing more. Musta misunderstood posts on the series. Only ones I ever actually bought were the first of the original series and last of the.. uh.. er..last.


> I tend to think that the reason this is happening Right Here Right Now has less to do with anything humans have done to Skrulls, and more to do with Annihilus' forces crushing the Skrull empire into the dirt.

It seemed that when the first Annihilation was coming out Bendis and Co had no idea what it was all about, I remember the editor for Annihilation (forget his name) posting regularly on another board (very nice fellow, handled negativity really well)and THEY didn't know what was going on in the Avengers/regular books and pretty much vice-versa. The nod then was there was no coordination between the two and Bendis' Skrull plot had been conceived completely separate from Annihilation. They really should, if they have not, tie the two together, now. If Annihilation hadn't been such a huge success they'd probably ignore it (Reed ran into Super Skrull when it all started and never seemed to care a bit that someone from the Negative Zone was attacking the universe). But as you say, it puts the Skrulls in a desperate situation and gives a lot more purpose to them. Sometimes the fans do a better job of justifying stuff than the writers. Heck, WITHOUT the Illuminati it could come to this, one Skrull agent could gather the genetic materials or whatever it was they nabbed from the Illins.

> > Remember kids, The EIC of Marvel says that smoking is bad, divorce is bad, but Satanic Pacts are A-OK!
>
> Well, yeah, clearly The Devil is less-worse than smoking, or marriage. Shouldn't you be picking on "heroes" who think it's OK to make deals with The Devil, over supergeniuses trying to do what's best for the world?

Nah, I only like picking on the real people in my sigs \:\) I still Think Pete needs to burn in Heck for what he decided, and Reed and Stark need to get force fed some humble pie. Actually it looks like McDuffie baked some up for his last issue of FF coming out next week.








CyberCoyote-=^..^=-



Remember kids, The EIC of Marvel says that smoking is bad, divorce is bad, but Satanic Pacts are A-OK!

>
> > The Illuminati failed to prevent Secret Wars 2 by telling the Beyonder to leave Earth alone, and haven't been "inserted" into any other past storylines at all, at least so far.
>
> I assumed they eluded to them doing more. Musta misunderstood posts on the series. Only ones I ever actually bought were the first of the original series and last of the.. uh.. er..last.

#1 shows them, post-Kree/Skrull war, making a botched retaliatory strike on the Skrulls.

#2 is set in recent times, pre-House of M, as the group gather the Infinity Gems in an attempt to destroy them.

#3 is set between the two Secret Wars, in a failed (and continuity-mangling) attempt to persuade the Beyonder to leave Earth alone.

#4 is also set in recent times, as the group tries to rehabilitate the new Marvel Boy.

#5 is set Right Here, Right Now, as Tony confronts the others with the corpse of Skrull Elektra.

> > I tend to think that the reason this is happening Right Here Right Now has less to do with anything humans have done to Skrulls, and more to do with Annihilus' forces crushing the Skrull empire into the dirt.
>
> It seemed that when the first Annihilation was coming out Bendis and Co had no idea what it was all about, I remember the editor for Annihilation (forget his name) posting regularly on another board (very nice fellow, handled negativity really well)and THEY didn't know what was going on in the Avengers/regular books and pretty much vice-versa. The nod then was there was no coordination between the two and Bendis' Skrull plot had been conceived completely separate from Annihilation. They really should, if they have not, tie the two together, now. If Annihilation hadn't been such a huge success they'd probably ignore it (Reed ran into Super Skrull when it all started and never seemed to care a bit that someone from the Negative Zone was attacking the universe). But as you say, it puts the Skrulls in a desperate situation and gives a lot more purpose to them. Sometimes the fans do a better job of justifying stuff than the writers. Heck, WITHOUT the Illuminati it could come to this, one Skrull agent could gather the genetic materials or whatever it was they nabbed from the Illins.

Just because these two storylines STARTED with no co-ordination, and no awareness on Bendis' part, in no way prevents them from now inserting a couple of lines into Secret Invasion to reference that Annihilation happened, and is the Skrull motivation for doing this Right Now, does it?

> > > Remember kids, The EIC of Marvel says that smoking is bad, divorce is bad, but Satanic Pacts are A-OK!
> >
> > Well, yeah, clearly The Devil is less-worse than smoking, or marriage. Shouldn't you be picking on "heroes" who think it's OK to make deals with The Devil, over supergeniuses trying to do what's best for the world?
>
> Nah, I only like picking on the real people in my sigs \:\) I still Think Pete needs to burn in Heck for what he decided,

I just cannot work my mind around the idea that anyone at Marvel honestly believes "superhero makes deal with the Devil" is an acceptable way to go about a Major Event for the character. Or that they're that pig-ignorant that we're just supposed to move on and forget any of it ever happened, ignoring that in any such Faustian bargain, THE DEVIL DOESN'T PLAY FAIR.

If this was clearly being marked as the opening of a larger saga, sure, fair enough. But it's not. It's clearly supposed to be "a necessary evil which we won't ever mention again, so the books can just move onwards backwards".

> and Reed and Stark need to get force fed some humble pie.

Stark's been force-fed beatings from anti-registration knuckleheads for the past year, probably has another coming from the Tension-Sheet-Hulk, and it hasn't stopped making him right.

> Actually it looks like McDuffie baked some up for his last issue of FF coming out next week.

I still prefer Millar's straight-up "Reed is pro-registration because he just believes it's right" over JMS and McDuffie's two different "excuses" for why he's doing it but doesn't like it.


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