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Subj: Re: Secrets and security and The Hood... [SPOILERS]
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 09:23:30 pm EST
Reply Subj: Re: Secrets and security and The Hood... [SPOILERS]
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 06:46:38 am EST (Viewed 1 times)

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> > This issue was... meaty.
> >
> > New Avengers Annual #2
> >
> > 2¢ added to the excellent posts here:
> > http://www.comicboards.com/avengers/view.php?trd=080131164019
> > http://www.comicboards.com/avengers/view.php?trd=080201152333
> >
> > http://www.marvel.com/news/comics.2318.Weekend_Preview:_New_Avengers_Annual_%232
> >
> >



> > When Pepper Potts says 'multiple helicarriers' that seemed like a big
> > ('by the way') revelation to me in Order#7. Here, again, if implies
> > only one Helicarrier that serves as unique HQ. Plus, Hill should be
> > calling in Clay Quartermain and his USA mystics instead of depending
> > on Haiti.
>
> There have been multiple helicarriers for a while, but there is one Helicarrier to rule them all.

It does seem writers, in recent years, have subtlely instituted this fact of life. Though the Helicarrier has always seemed to be unique instead of a model name. If Marvel starts verifying in-story (~like#7) then hope they at least start identifying the HQ one by a Christened name instead of the, now, generic model name. Pet peeve will remain in the mean time.
>
> > Can accept her spilling her guts but who smacks Tigra? Jigsaw?
>
> Yup.
>
> > What line from Ghostbusters did Spidey joke about? Could use the \:\)
> > here.
>
> "We came. We saw. We kicked its ass!"

Needed that. \:\) Thanks!
>
> > Like the Chemistro break in method - conditional on getting Hood's
> > help to help him SEE the roof.
>
> Didn't think something like that was possible. The protection used to be much, much better than that.

The good point was that fair explanation was given (on panel?!) to present reasoning how it was done. Besides, the Wrecker can just kick down the door... uhm... easily. Hmmm, if Hood can get into here and one of the Helicarriers then why is he bothering with penny ante banks and not going for Fort Knox... oh right, the security... ;\)
>
> > > > 3. Wong Unleashed!
> >
> > Everyone fights crappy and poorly. The closed quarters were magically
> > expanded? Except Wong - now, THAT is the Wong I know. He faired
> > better than Logan vs Hood a few issues ago!
>
> He did... which is why it's not the Wong I know.
>
> The Sanctum is a tesseract. So, yes, they were magically expanded. \:\)

Yeah, liked the concept since first reading it in Byrne's FF. Feel that visually it was still closed quarters and there should have been at least more snikt casualties.
>
> > Like the SHIELD surveillance presence and Easter Egg truck (am ticked
> > was sick & missed the season premiere).
>
> This was lost on me, since I'm not a fan.

Nice one.
>
> > > > I like that Tiger came to help..
> >
> > Me too! But don't like not knowing HOW she got there.
>
> Doesn't matter to me how she got there. I'm kind of curious how she was able to heal herself. Didn't think she could that fast. Er, how long after getting shot in the knees is this? Ah well...

Not sure if my HOW was clear. Meant, didn't the meticulous planning Hood leave a reliable guard or locked door with her? Your curiousity is a definitely valid concern too.
>
> > What about magic defenses in the Sanctum? Other than the
> > you-wouldnt-like-me-when-I'm-angry Doctor. This issue has him back to
> > looking like Dr. Skrange again.
>
> Naw. But the Sanctum should have stronger defenses. Yes, it's been destroyed before, but it should certainly hold up better than anything Chemistro could manage.
>
> > Okay, this Wong I don't know so much. Not so much that he fixes the
> > spells but he fixes the ones used by Skrange. And whattaya know the
> > Doc CAN teleport - and multiple times. It's plane... err.. plain as
> > day here.
>
> Wong is a magician in his own right. I'm not surprised he was able to do this.

After this story, given their closeness. If, or if not, the Doc is a skrull - then Wong should be the same.
>
> > Liked the use of Lightning Storm a lot.
> >
> > Carol had the continued specific interest in the Cage family as in
> > MA8. Hmmm. And 'letting them go' was a repeated theme from that
> > issue. Came across as criminally redundant. KUDOS to that SHIELD
> > Agent -who deserves a promotion!- for challenging this
> > (reader-understandable) gesture of hers.
>
> The SHIELD agent deserved a fist in the face. :-@ It's really not unusual for law enforcement to ignore criminal acts in order to enforce other laws.

Ve'waited so long for anyone to question Tony and Carol often bending the rules since the ('who's side are you on') Act passed. This guy showed gumption (granted: if also insubordination). Ifff Carol were to turn out to be culpable, then this SHIELD Agent - who deserves a name too!- might be commended.
>
> > > > After being quite wary of Bendis' portrayal of Parker Robbins,
> > > > I'm pretty satisfied now. No two writers are going to have the
> > > > exact same characterization for any character, and when I read
> > > > the Hood, he still sounds reasonably the same as he did before.
> > > > However, he's obviously upgraded his powers.
> >
> > The Hood talking to his invisible demon? Hmmm. Initial concerns of
> > his handling have been waylayed some with intriguing attention this
> > character is getting.
>
> Indeed. Curious though... demon or... Skrull?

True. And unless Robbins has been secretly replaced by a skrull himself, he's ultimately lied to his mother too (see attached).
>
> > > > and uh oh, Jessica finally decides to register-- does the baby
> > > > have to register? and will Stark expect Jessica to snitch on her
> > > > husband? oooohhh....
> >
> > Jessica making a family decision without Luke? Jessica flys under
> > SHIELD surveillance but manages to get to the Tower unarrested? Cant
> > wait to see how Tony reacts.
>
> Security isn't that tight. No doubt Toyn will react with a smug grin on his face and commend her for making the "right" decision.

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> > > This issue was... meaty.
> > >
> > > New Avengers Annual #2

> > > When Pepper Potts says 'multiple helicarriers' that seemed like a
> > > big ('by the way') revelation to me in Order#7. Here, again, if
> > > implies only one Helicarrier that serves as unique HQ. Plus, Hill
> > > should be calling in Clay Quartermain and his USA mystics instead
> > > of depending on Haiti.
> >
> > There have been multiple helicarriers for a while, but there is one
> > Helicarrier to rule them all.
>
> It does seem writers, in recent years, have subtlely instituted this
> fact of life. Though the Helicarrier has always seemed to be unique
> instead of a model name. If Marvel starts verifying in-story
> (~like#7) then hope they at least start identifying the HQ one by a
> Christened name instead of the, now, generic model name. Pet peeve
> will remain in the mean time.

The current main Helicarrier (the 8th known one) has been called Pericles III.

There is also an "assault Helicarrier" that has two long landing strips and looks extremely more battle-ready. It's been named the Samuel Sawyer. (seen in Iron Man: Hypervelocity)

There are also numerous mini-carriers (like the one Carol uses for Lightning Storm) and Stark's new carrier. (seen being built in Mighty Avengers; probably not commissioned yet)

I seem to recall seeing a different style of mini-carrier (looking more bug-like and without the annoying, imo, chopper blades) in issues of Captain America before/during Disassembled.

> > > > > I like that Tiger came to help..
> > >
> > > Me too! But don't like not knowing HOW she got there.
> >
> > Doesn't matter to me how she got there. I'm kind of curious how she
> > was able to heal herself. Didn't think she could that fast. Er, how
> > long after getting shot in the knees is this? Ah well...
>
> Not sure if my HOW was clear. Meant, didn't the meticulous planning
> Hood leave a reliable guard or locked door with her? Your curiousity
> is a definitely valid concern too.

I don't think the Hood wanted to spare anyone. She didn't seem like a threat really, even after she joined in the fight.

> > > Okay, this Wong I don't know so much. Not so much that he fixes
> > > the spells but he fixes the ones used by Skrange. And whattaya
> > > know the Doc CAN teleport - and multiple times. It's plane...
> > > err.. plain as day here.
> >
> > Wong is a magician in his own right. I'm not surprised he was able
> > to do this.
>
> After this story, given their closeness. If, or if not, the Doc is a
> skrull - then Wong should be the same.

I really can't see any possibility that Strange could be a Skrull at this point.

> > > Liked the use of Lightning Storm a lot.
> > >
> > > Carol had the continued specific interest in the Cage family as in
> > > MA8. Hmmm. And 'letting them go' was a repeated theme from that
> > > issue. Came across as criminally redundant. KUDOS to that SHIELD
> > > Agent -who deserves a promotion!- for challenging this
> > > (reader-understandable) gesture of hers.
> >
> > The SHIELD agent deserved a fist in the face. :-@ It's really not
> > unusual for law enforcement to ignore criminal acts in order to
> > enforce other laws.
>
> Ve'waited so long for anyone to question Tony and Carol often
> bending the rules since the ('who's side are you on') Act passed.
> This guy showed gumption (granted: if also insubordination). Ifff
> Carol were to turn out to be culpable, then this SHIELD Agent - who
> deserves a name too!- might be commended.

Carol's on track, as far as I'm concerned. No one need be questioning her.

> > > The Hood talking to his invisible demon? Hmmm. Initial concerns of
> > > his handling have been waylayed some with intriguing attention
> > > this character is getting.
> >
> > Indeed. Curious though... demon or... Skrull?
>
> True. And unless Robbins has been secretly replaced by a skrull
> himself, he's ultimately lied to his mother too (see attached).

Well, if Robbins is a Skrull, I wouldn't expect him to be honest with Robbins' mother. But I was talking about the person to whom he was speaking, not him.
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