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Reverend Meteor

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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In Reply To
Michael

Subj: Re: Chaos War #5
Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 at 02:58:58 pm EST (Viewed 406 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Chaos War #5
Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 at 12:09:11 pm EST (Viewed 15 times)



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      I guess I see it as something like the perception of being obligated to donate your kidney to a brother. It may make you a douchebag not to give it to him but your brother's wife doesn't have the right to demand you give it to your brother. Maybe you don't like your brother, maybe you want to bang his wife, maybe you don't want to lose a kidney in case the other one goes bad...whatever your reason doesn't matter. If you say you're not giving him the kidney that should be the end of it. It's your kidney.



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    The difference is that donating a kidney carries with it an element of risk.


Here's the problem and I don't think we're going to see eye to eye on it. It was Simon's choice whether to donate his brainwaves in Byrne's run. He wasn't given the choice the first time and it resulted in a new life (Vision) being created against his will. Simon may have liked the Vision. He might have been closer to him than his own brother. But at the end of the day it was Simon's choice whether he gives his brainwaves over to bring someone back to life. That's not the Vision's choice or Wanda's choice. It's Simon's because they're his brainwaves.

Don't use the kidney example if that makes you happy. Let's say you had a brother who couldn't have kids and his wife asked you for a sperm donation so they could have a kid who is genetically related to your brother. If you say no that's your right because it's your sperm. You're the one who has to deal with knowing you helped create this life and all the bizarre things and social situations that come along with it.

I think Simon had every right to draw the line and say no. Fine he's a jerk who is love with the Vision's wife...but you can't tell me Wanda was too dense to know this and then she asks this of Simon? Bah. And why did Vision get dismantled in the first place...because the people who dismantled him wanted to prevent him from taking over the world's computers again.

Boundaries. Everyone has them and everyone needs them. Simon had one. Wanda crossed it. Then again this is the Avengers the same group who practically threw Carol a baby shower when she was raped, impregnated and gave birth within 3 days. They may lack certain social skills.


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      I hate Elysius. She violated her dead lover's memory and had a child that just shouldn't exist and then she steals Genis childhood. Evil skank.



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    I'm curious- how do you feel about Namora? She used an unstable cloning process to give birth to Namorita but nobody ever called her on it after she came back from the dead, even though Nita had to suffer through some painful transformations as a result.


I HATE Namora. But Namorita is my all time favorite female comic book character with the possible exception of Moonstone.

I had become a Nita fan from her appearances in New Warriors...the clone retcon came a couple years after she was already in the Warriors if memory serves. And I also liked Ben Reilly who was a clone better than the original.

Clones I can kind of deal with. Elysius impregnating herself with the dna of her dead lover though creeps me out more than anything any super villain has ever done.




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      Between Genis origin and seeing he planned to murder his and Songbird's future son as an infant in his crib I don't care for the character. The gods granted my wish though when he was murdered by my favorite charscter Baron Helmut Zemo. I don't have qualms with Phyla yet but I would love for Helmut to finish off Elysius too.



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    You don't have any qualms with Phyla. What about the fact that she dated a rapist?


If you had asked me if I had a problem with Moondragon that would have made sense. Peter Parker once smacked his wife but I don't hate Gwen Stacy or Felicia Hardy for it. And though this conversation is beyond the scope of this board I'm the sexist pig who doesn't think women can rape a grown man even if they do have mind control powers. The male anatomy wants what it wants.

As for Phyla I guess she is one step removed than Genis. She only exists because if memory serves Genis rebooted the timeline so she got a hand me down origin that was just like Genis's. If I'm being honest...I am completely and utterly indifferent to Phyla. She has never done anything to make me like or dislike her in the slightest. She's just there.