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Unstable Molecule

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christian

Subj: Re: Hickman on the Avengers, and thoughts on Bendis
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 at 12:57:15 pm EDT (Viewed 247 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Hickman on the Avengers, and thoughts on Bendis
Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 at 07:33:06 pm EDT (Viewed 24 times)

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Sorry, but exactly how did Bendis make Avengers a top ranked title? I never thought Avengers was second rate pre-Bendis. In fact, I thought Busiek/Perez was one of the finest runs the series ever saw. Bendis destroyed the Avengers after that. And in amateurish fashion. Disassembled was horrific, and out of continuity. And for what purpose? Bendis(or Quesada depending on whether Bendis was under orders) simply tried to copy the Justice League by loading the team with alot of Marvel's top tier characters, even if their inclusion made no sense. Luke Cage??? Wolverine(I mean, God, really)?? Spiderman I didn't mind, because it seemed a logical progression of Peter's character, but then, Bendis showed he had no comprehension of Spiderman's personality, and ruined him on the team. And for that they made Wanda a lunatic? And got rid of some of the Avengers' best characters(Jan is still dead right)? Bendis' run was a sign of someone who knew nothing about his subject matter.

As an aside, all the tinkering that Marvel and DC have done with the Avengers and Justice League has never made any sense. They seem to be desperately trying to recreate the success they had on the Claremont X-Men and Wolfman Teen Titans. But, the very reason both those titles needed radical change was because X-Men and Teen Titans had been cancelled. It was only that that both teams got revamped with outstanding new line-ups. This does NOT apply to Justice League or Avengers. Neither title was ever cancelled, hence there's no justification for eviscerating the teams.

Ask yourselves, who do you think of when you think of the Avengers or Justice League? For me, Justice League = Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Flash, Green Lantern, Hawkman, Green Arrow, Black Canary, Red Tornado, and the Manhunter. So, why are 3rd rate characters like Plastic man, Aztec, and Geo-Force always being added to the team? Avengers = Cap, Ironman, Thor, Hawkeye, Vision, Scarlet Witch, Wasp, Yellow Jacket, Wonderman, She-Hulk, Hercules and Black Panther. So, why are guys like Machine Man, Sentry and Spider Woman being added? Was there some great groundswell of discontent with those Avengers and League members? If so, I never heard it among fans. So why the changes? I suspect the egos of some employees at Marvel and DC have something to do with it.

A lot of the reason why Bendis' Avengers didn't work for me had to do with the damaging of charcters and the roster chosen. I object to Wolverine being an Avenger, and even moreso after the X-Men moved to the west coast. Dr. Strange felt wrong as well (similar to when Mr. Fantastic was on the Avengers - I will always associate him with another team). Characters like the Sentry, Echo, Protector, and Jewel do nothing for me. Characters I genuinely liked (like Spider-man, Spider Woman, Hawkeye, Mockingbird, Wonder Man, Norman Osborn, the Hood) were so mishandled that I grew to dislike them. Other characters I liked (Wanda, the Vision, the Wasp) were ruined or killed. In my opinion, the only character who has benefited from Bendis' tenure is Luke Cage.




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