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Subj: Agree with most of this...
Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 at 04:07:39 am EDT (Viewed 3 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Essential Membership
Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 at 07:56:13 pm EDT (Viewed 16 times)

    I'm 43 years old. I love comics, but don't collect them anymore. Not because I stopped wanting them, but because Marvel, under Joe Quesada, systematically destroyed each title. The writing wasn't just bad, it was atrocious. If the marketing strategy was that long-time readers like myself didn't matter anymore, and the target audience was 18 to 25 year-olds. Then, Marvel must think that young adults are absolute morons. For example, the marketing strategy that they had to 'unmarry' Peter Parker because young readers couldn't identify with a married man(apparently it never occured to them that dreadful writing may have adversely affected Spiderman sales, rather than Peter's marital status).

    The Avengers is my favourite super-hero team. I used to love reading Avengers' stories. So, what happened? Well, the team got ruined by writers who thought that flagging sales meant no one liked the 'old' team. They were stale, and needed new blood. Again, they couldn't grasp that it was their own dismal writing that was the problem. Writing doesn't improve just because a writer replaces the Beast with Tigra. Or Thor with Sentry. The Avengers has a core group of 8, and a secondary group of 6. Any new characters should have been limited to ONE, and broken in alongside the core members. This is the way new members were introduced almost from the start, until around Quesada's ascendance. One here, one there, until the fans accepted them. Beast, Wonderman, Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk - all separately. Not a whole crop of new characters with two core members to make it seem like the Avengers.

    Also, I always felt the Avengers were like the Knights of the Round Table. Noble heroes who fight mostly villains who, under normal circumstances, would kill the Fantastic Four or the X-Men. The alpha team. But, trying to make them more like the X-Men(anti-heroes) was contrary to the whole premise of the book. Captain America is a hero. Wolverine is an assasin. Luke Cage is a thug. The Avengers should be heroes.

    If they want to fix the damage they've done to the Avengers, then, aside from firing Quesada, they should have an 8 member team:

    5 chosen from the core 8: Cap, Thor, Ironman, Wasp, Yellow Jacket, Vision, Wanda, Hawkeye

    2 chosen from the secondary 6: Quicksilver, Black Panther, Hercules, Wonderman, Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk

    1 chosen as new, or a recurring third tier member. i.e. Spiderman, Black Knight, Firestar, etc.

    And make sure the Avengers have standards!! No thugs or killers. To quote from an issue of Captain America(many years ago) where Cap, disgusted at witnessing Wolverine let an opponent die, says to Logan: "I hope your buddies in the X-Men can put up with you, because the Avengers would never have you."

I'd be a little more flexible on the numbers. I also thought it would be interesting if they continued the trend of re-habbing the occasional villain (Ex: Hawkeye). I always thought Amora would be an awsome pick. Maybe start with a villain from your core 8.

Mr. Q. is definitely the cause of much sadness.
I am ok that they tried something esle...but it just doesnt work/feel right. And if anything the movie backs us up. You have 4 of your core 8 in the movie + Hulk (founding memeber) and Widow (tier 2 1/2 imo). And it's the biggest comic book blockbuster of all time.