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Doc Boomstick

Subj: Re: Okay, let's get into this... (And everyone is welcome to join in!)
Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 at 05:31:05 pm EDT (Viewed 259 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Okay, let's get into this... (And everyone is welcome to join in!)
Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 11:59:58 am EDT (Viewed 315 times)


      Before Bendis, the only examples that seemed to buck this trend were possibly Namor (a Defender), Beast (an X-Man), and Justice and Firestar (New Warriors).

    Namor predates the Avengers and has a large role in the FF's history, so in a way he's almost his own franchise more than part of a Defenders one. And the New Warriors never really had a purpose as far as I can tell. That said, why do all Earth-based super teams need to be Avengers?


      Yet now, the Avengers' classic headliners - Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, Wasp, Giant-Man, Vision, Scarlet Witch, and Hawkeye - are forced to compete with big names (arguably brand names) like Wolverine, Spider-Man, Dr. Strange, and Luke Cage for prominence. And that is absolutely asinine!

I would say that Captain America, when he joined, was a "brand name" separate from the Avengers. Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were associated with the X-Men. Hawkeye was connected to Iron Man (An Avengers brand I suppose). Same with Black Widow.

Ms. Marvel was connected to Captain Marvel. Moon Knight was kind of on his own. Hercules was connected to Thor I suppose. Would Black Panther have been considered to be part of the Fantastic Four?

Falcon was part of Cap's brand. She-Hulk a part of the Hulk's brand (both, admittedly, having Avengers ties). War Machine a part of Iron Man, Gilgamesh, Sersi and Starfox are Eternals, USAgent part of Cap's, would Quasar count as SHIELD?

Thunderstrike part of Thor, Justice and Firestar were New Warriors. Crystal was part of the Fantastic Four.

I agree that it has become ENTIRELY too easy to become an Avenger... it seems like if you show up at the tower or the mansion you're automatically a member.

However, I disagree that the Avengers don't have a history of including members who belonged to other brand franchises.

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