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Subj: Re: Okay, let's get into this... (And everyone is welcome to join in!)
Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 12:59:06 am EDT (Viewed 253 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Okay, let's get into this... (And everyone is welcome to join in!)
Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 at 05:31:05 pm EDT (Viewed 247 times)
Quote:I would say that Captain America, when he joined, was a "brand name" separate from the Avengers.
Uh, Avengers was on issue #4, and Cap hadn't been published in years.
Quote:Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were associated with the X-Men.
Yeah, as 2nd-rate flunkies under Magneto's leadership; they weren't X-Men. And the X-Men was - what? - in its first year? C'mon...
Quote:Ms. Marvel was connected to Captain Marvel. Moon Knight was kind of on his own. Hercules was connected to Thor I suppose. Would Black Panther have been considered to be part of the Fantastic Four?
The fact that you're asking questions about these characters just points to the fact they were only loosely connected to their brand franchises. It's not like Thing and the FF ... or Spider-Man and the Spidey family of titles ... or Wolverine and the X-Men ... or a solo character that has been a constant headliner since the 60s like Daredevil ... or Iron Fist, the latter half of "Power Man and..."
Quote:Falcon was part of Cap's brand. She-Hulk a part of the Hulk's brand (both, admittedly, having Avengers ties). War Machine a part of Iron Man, Gilgamesh, Sersi and Starfox are Eternals, USAgent part of Cap's, would Quasar count as SHIELD?
So yeah, now, you understand what I pointed out earlier? Most new Avengers members were either loosely tied to other franchises. Or not at all.
Quote:Thunderstrike part of Thor, Justice and Firestar were New Warriors. Crystal was part of the Fantastic Four.
Again, I'd argue Crystal was only loosely tied to the FF. And Eric Masterson was technically one of the "big three" for a while ... so your point? Finally, I addressed Justice and Firestar (as well as Beast and Namor) in my initial post.
Quote:I agree that it has become ENTIRELY too easy to become an Avenger... it seems like if you show up at the tower or the mansion you're automatically a member.
True. There have been a veritable cornucopia of new members since Bendis took over the Avengers books.
Quote:However, I disagree that the Avengers don't have a history of including members who belonged to other brand franchises.
Actually, you kinda do agree with me, based on your posts, amigo.