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Subj: Re: Okay, let's get into this... (And everyone is welcome to join in!)
Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 01:17:39 am EDT (Viewed 239 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Okay, let's get into this... (And everyone is welcome to join in!)
Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 11:59:58 am EDT (Viewed 297 times)


      Yet now, the Avengers' classic headliners - Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, Wasp, Giant-Man, Vision, Scarlet Witch, and Hawkeye - are forced to compete with big names (arguably brand names) like Wolverine, Spider-Man, Dr. Strange, and Luke Cage for prominence. And that is absolutely asinine!

    It sounds like you think the only A-listers that should be Avengers are the Big 3. I can understand that from a reader's point of view, but in terms of business and the reality of how these fictional characters would act, it makes no sense that Cap wouldn't want Spider-man on his team.

Actually, Byrne's Nebula story from the early 90s illustrated why Cap wouldn't want Spider-Man on his team. It also pointed out why Spidey wouldn't want in on the Avengers.

And yeah, I think to preserve the brand identity of the Avengers, the "big three" should be your only "A-listers" (as you put it).

Millar recognized this with the Ultimates. And Marvel Studios recognized this with their film franchise. (BTW, Hulk works great for the films, less so with the comics; Hulk hasn't been a regular member of the Avengers since the 4th or 5th issue, obviously.)

    Wolverine doesn't fit in, I agree. Dr. Strange is best used as a supporting character or else he gets watered down. However, Cage is exactly the type of person the Avengers would have picked up before Disassembled and Spider-man has already been a reserve.

I'm still a bit torn on the "Power Man and Iron Fist" members. No matter how much you try to separate them? Or give them their own series over the years? People will ALWAYS remember them best as ... "Power Man and Iron Fist."

    It sounds to me that you think Marvel should only have one superteam of any given "type" at a time. So what are your thoughts on a group like Alpha Flight? Why would they not respond to the same threats the Avengers do?

Well, it worked for decades. I mean, why would you want overlap?

And Alpha Flight is basically the "Canadian Avengers." (Recall the Avengers didn't go global and start working with the UN until the early 90s.)


      Avengers - tackle any huge threat
      Fantastic Four - explore and protect
      X-Men - protect mutants and promote understanding
      Defenders - "non-team" that, quite frankly, has always struggled with an identity ... other than "hey, we're the powerful misunderstood outcasts"
      Micronauts - explore the Microverse and wage war against Karza*

    If I had to name all of the MU teams that I think should exist, I'd wipe out your Micronauts and add Heroes for Hire (street), Guardians of the Galaxy (space), and a SHIELD team.

I was only using those specific teams as examples. Especially the defunct Micronauts.

If I had to choose what teams should exist? I'd probably go with:

X-Men - promote peace between mutants and humans; protect mutantkind
X-Factor - help mutants adjust to normal lives among humans; protect mutantkind
New Mutants - X-Men-in-training
Excalibur - British equivalent of Avengers
Alpha Flight - Canadian equivalent of Avengers
Defenders - non-team full of powerful "outcasts;" more of a safe gathering place for antisocial characters such as Hulk, Namor, Silver Surfer, etc.
Fantastic Four - explorers, science team, and protectors of Earth
Avengers (East Coast) - strike team to tackle huge menaces
Avengers (West Coast) - ditto
New Warriors - "club"/training ground for young heroes
Nightstalkers - deal with supernatural/paranormal threats
Heroes for Hire - the comic, however, would be titled "Power Man and Iron Fist;" PM, IF, Misty Knight, and Colleen Wing would handle more "street-level" threats
S.H.I.E.L.D. - global espionage and security force
Guardians of the Galaxy - cosmic!


      In the past, all of these teams have managed to cooperate with one another without combining forces to create the Defending Microvengers. Or some other random silliness.

    It just doesn't make any sense to me that when the Skrulls come to invade Cap wouldn't call the X-men given their firepower. Of course we live in a (fictional) world where the Avengers and FF are always out of town whenever Spider-man needs help.

Exactly. That's why I responded with the following...


      Hey, a phone call will suffice. And Vizh and Pym can then meet up with the Thing and Torch to help out against an Ultron raging through the Baxter Building. Or Xavier can inform Storm and Angel that Mari and Bug need help against Sauron in the Savage Land.

This kind of thing used to happen every so often.

    But cross pollination enhances sales. That's what Marvel is going for. People buy crossovers and big events and that basically screws us because the constant big events just contort the characters while the ongoing books become filler.

Oh, it'll boost sales in the short-term. Then Marvel will have to relaunch with a new #1 issue in a few years.

Marvel is caught in a really terrible cycle.

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