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Doc Boomstick

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Subj: Re: Okay, let's get into this... (And everyone is welcome to join in!)
Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 04:27:53 pm EDT (Viewed 251 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Okay, let's get into this... (And everyone is welcome to join in!)
Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 01:17:39 am EDT (Viewed 240 times)

    Actually, Byrne's Nebula story from the early 90s illustrated why Cap wouldn't want Spider-Man on his team. It also pointed out why Spidey wouldn't want in on the Avengers.

I don't have that one. Care to summarize?

    And yeah, I think to preserve the brand identity of the Avengers, the "big three" should be your only "A-listers" (as you put it).

I think you have to choose between have an Avengers brand in the way you imagine it and having the premier MU super team that responds to all major threats. By having it both ways, you're saying only the Big 3 and their sidekicks can respond to global threats.

    Millar recognized this with the Ultimates. And Marvel Studios recognized this with their film franchise. (BTW, Hulk works great for the films, less so with the comics; Hulk hasn't been a regular member of the Avengers since the 4th or 5th issue, obviously.)

Millar was recreating what was already there. It wouldn't have made sense to add people like Spider-man. However, if Marvel owned the film rights to Spider-man, I wouldn't bet against him making an appearance in Avengers.

    I'm still a bit torn on the "Power Man and Iron Fist" members. No matter how much you try to separate them? Or give them their own series over the years? People will ALWAYS remember them best as ... "Power Man and Iron Fist."

I was introduced to both characters individually, so I'm not overly loyal to the team book (Cage hasn't even been called that in quite some time). I think their friendship is one of their defining traits, and that Heroes for Hire team/angle is original enough exist on its own in the MU.

    Well, it worked for decades. I mean, why would you want overlap?

Marvel has always had crossovers and the overlapping stories and guest stars are what helped make the books famous, but was really just a way to introduce an existing reader to new characters. I think the problem we are running into now is that the industry is running on fumes and they need to cram all of these characters into one book in order to get enough people to buy it. The big events are no longer events because they are the norm.

    And Alpha Flight is basically the "Canadian Avengers." (Recall the Avengers didn't go global and start working with the UN until the early 90s.)

Yeah, that's what I was getting at. If you are going to have the Avengers be responsible for the entire world, it seems kind of redundant to have all of these locale teams.

    X-Men - promote peace between mutants and humans; protect mutantkind
    X-Factor - help mutants adjust to normal lives among humans; protect mutantkind
    New Mutants - X-Men-in-training
    Excalibur - British equivalent of Avengers
    Alpha Flight - Canadian equivalent of Avengers
    Defenders - non-team full of powerful "outcasts;" more of a safe gathering place for antisocial characters such as Hulk, Namor, Silver Surfer, etc.
    Fantastic Four - explorers, science team, and protectors of Earth
    Avengers (East Coast) - strike team to tackle huge menaces
    Avengers (West Coast) - ditto
    New Warriors - "club"/training ground for young heroes
    Nightstalkers - deal with supernatural/paranormal threats
    Heroes for Hire - the comic, however, would be titled "Power Man and Iron Fist;" PM, IF, Misty Knight, and Colleen Wing would handle more "street-level" threats
    S.H.I.E.L.D. - global espionage and security force
    Guardians of the Galaxy - cosmic!

Marvel could only hope that their fans could support this many team books.

    Oh, it'll boost sales in the short-term. Then Marvel will have to relaunch with a new #1 issue in a few years.

    Marvel is caught in a really terrible cycle.

I agree. I hate the fact that the ongoing titles have become filler for four months out of the year while big events take place. Marvel keeps trying to reinvent their books but they never tell good stories with the teams they create.