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Mick Martin

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Reverend Meteor

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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Subj: Re: The Top 10 Worst and Best Things about The Avengers
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 08:49:51 pm EDT (Viewed 319 times)
Reply Subj: Re: The Top 10 Worst and Best Things about The Avengers
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 08:43:19 am EDT (Viewed 356 times)


    Cap and Iron Man's problem with each other was one of my favorite things about the movie. I could totally see why they would rub each other the wrong way right off the bat. Tony's smug, snarky, was born wealthy and plays it up as a celebrity, designs weapons and comes off as utterly indifferent. Steve's humble, a hard worker, was born relatively poor, and he saw first hand what weapons of mass destruction could do during his time in WW2. I don't want to use the word Nazi and say Steve thought Tony was one but I could see him being leery of someone like Tony...someone with questionable character who has the potential to harm the world with his weaponry because Steve's seen how that turns out. Tony sees Steve as someone with some outdated sense of morality. That back in Steve's days it was clear who the bad guys were and who the good guys were. Tony lives in a modern post 9/11 world where good people often have to make moral compromises here and there to achieve the greater good.

    I could totally see why they didn't hit it off immediately.

For the most part, I agree with you. I enjoyed the conflict between Steve and Tony too (which is why that was at the bottom of my worst list). I also agree that there are plenty of reasons why they wouldn't hit it off.

Here's the thing. They seem to dislike each even BEFORE they meet each other. As I wrote, as soon as they give each other those terse little nods and say "Mr. Stark," and "Captain," you can already tell they don't like each other.

Am I saying that doesn't make sense? Nope. There are plenty of reasons why it would make complete sense, but we aren't really given those reasons.

For example, you wrote a number of possible reasons for them to not like each other and I think everything you said is completely reasonable. At the same time though, when I tried to imagine what their problems with one another were, I came up with completely different reasons. I thought Cap might be a little jealous of Tony because Cap sacrificed everything to find himself lost and alone in a present day where he's not sure he has a purpose or a place, whereas this pampered little rich kid has the world in the palm of his hand and he didn't have to go through the horrors Cap went through. At the same time, I figured that being as fiercely independent as Tony is, he might not exactly have a lot of respect for America's super-soldier. Not to mention the fact that I think it's been implied in Iron Man's movies that Stark has some daddy issues, and Cap might bring those feelings up simply because he knew Stark's father.

I just think while I don't need everything spoonfed to me in a movie or any other kind of story, if you're going to have these two very important characters hate each other before they even meet, you should be clear about why.

But, like you, I enjoyed the conflict regardless.

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