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Tate Walters

Subj: Re: Really annoyed by Scott's treatment
Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 09:40:12 am EDT (Viewed 278 times)
Reply Subj: Really annoyed by Scott's treatment
Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 12:32:53 pm EDT (Viewed 40 times)

    My complaint is not with the ficitonal characters, rather it is with the inconsistency that they are being written.

I think it is generally a problem of comics to not hold a hero responsible and if they do not for very long.

    Scott, along with the other X-men who were hosts for the Phoenix, are being treated like total villians. This is completely unfair because it has been shown over and over again that people who are hosts of the Phoenix are not in control of their actions. Scott even begged to be killed is a brief moment of having control. Also, it wasn't Scott's desire to become a host for the Phoenix. That only happened because of the Avengers intervention. Until he was possessed he believed it was intened for Hope (which the Avenegers fought only to eventually agree with and prove Scott right in the first place.)

I think the argument that it is the Avengers fault is very weak. Yes, it would have not happened like it did if they let it go. But they just had word that this thing destroyed multiple planets on the way so stopping it was key. They did what they could, and that is that. So it was a failure to protect the Earth but Scott was already on interesting ground wanting the PF to come and do something that it had never done before.

    My other complaint is that numerous heroes have committed great crimes and suffered little to no punishment (some were not in control as was the case for Scott and some were)

This is a better argument IMO and is a comic problem in general and lazy writters.

    1. Scarlet Witch: Killed the Vision, Killed Hawkeye, Killed Scott Lang, Killed Jack of Hearts, drove She-Hulk insane, stripped Millions of mutants of their powers which directly resulted in numerous deaths.....She is now an Avenger suffering no jail time.

Agreed. Although with this one they could not find her or even knew that she was alive for quite a while. I think the reason she came back so easily or was allowed had to do with personel biases to liking her and the fact that she was the only edge they had.

    2. Hulk: Nearly destroyed New York to get back at the Illuminati heroes who betrayed him. In his own book he recently went insane and was responsible for many deaths.....he is now an Avenger(He was imprisioned for a little bit)

This one I agree with. It was odd how things were treated after WWH. That he got out and it was not everyone's top priority to get him back.

    3. Red Hulk: Of his own free will he murdered the Abombination and attacked every Aveger he could....he is now an Avenger (He was imprisioned for a little bit)

AGain, I agree.

    4. Wolverine: while under under the control of others has slaughters untold numbers of innocents....He is now an Avenger (No jail time)

The mind control thing helps him I think. It is bad but intention and all makes it harder to argue. I am not sure how mind control holds up in court but it matters.

    5. Wonderman: Attacked the Avengers in thier homes, beat them senseless and is now being offered a friendly hand of help (which I think should be extened to Scott as well).


    6. Venom (The Symbiote not Flash): has murdered and maimed numerous individuals....He's an Avenger (granted he's being controlled by Flash and the government).

Yup, it is dumb.

    7. Iron-Man: murdered Yellow Jacket II and the Nanny for Quick Silver's daughter. Both characters are still dead and Iron-Man never served a day in jail and he's an Avenger.

I have to remember the context of the YJ one.

    8. Winter Soilder: While under Soviet control, murdered numerous individuals including Nomad. He did some jail time in Russia, but otherwise he was welcomed into the Avengers and even made Captain America.

    I'm sure the list is much longer in Avengers and X-Men who have committed crimes as bad or worse than Cyclops (While being controlled as he was or otherwise). They were all treated better than he has been.

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