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Subj: Re: To be fair...
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 at 11:59:04 pm EDT (Viewed 12 times)
Reply Subj: Re: To be fair...
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 at 04:20:47 pm EDT (Viewed 270 times)
Quote:To be fair, while the Avengers could have done more helping mutants out, the X-Men pretty much considered themselves the final authority in mutant questions. They also had the tendency to isolate themselves from the rest of the superhero community and did things their own way, which quite often wasn't exactly living up the normal superhero standard, especially with Wolverine and later Psylocke involved. Don't get me started on the 90ties, when Cable and Bishop joined with their 'huge' guns.
They never asked for help or assistence in the first place.
Quote:Only by necessity and the fact that groups like Avengers didn't give a rat's ass. And they did not isolate themselves from the superhero community, just the rest of the world. They were more than happy to associate with the other superheroes.
The idea that the Avengers "didn't give a rat's ass" has always struck me as ridiculous. Where were the X-Men when the Mr.Hyde was bashing Jarvis's skull in or Kang was blowing up Washington? The reality is that superheroes only intervene in other titles when the writers want them to.
As for the idea that the Avengers didn't care about mutant rights, they had openly mutant members. What did the X-Men ever do to advance gay rights, for example?
And yes, the X-Men were reluctant to associate with other heroes, at least before Bendis's Illuminati retcon. As late as Avengers 110, the Avengers had no clue where the X-Men's headquarters was. In FF 286, Reed and Cap initially didn't know that Jean had "become" Phoenix and died on the moon. (Which is really weird considering Bendis's Jessica Jones retcon but a lot of details about that retcon didn't make sense.)And they deliberately let all the other super hero teams, including the Avengers, think they were dead during the Australian era.
For a look at the X-Men's attitude, take a look at this website:
Quote:While the X-Men are trying to catch whoever is framing them, Cyclops rules out going to the Avengers or the Fantastic Four for help and then snidely quips that the X-Men are on their own "as usual". What a chip on his shoulder this guy has! You can't rule out asking for help and then complain that no one will help you. Anyone complaining about Cyclops' behavior during the Utopia era may want to look here.
The X-Men often recruited members that had committed horrible crimes against Avengers- Rogue against Carol, Magneto against Wanda and Pietro, Emma against Firestar. So how is the distance between the Avengers and the X-Men the Avengers' fault?