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AssemblyRequired

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Omar Karindu

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Subj: Re: Whatever Happened To MoonDragon Anyway?
Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 at 08:25:00 pm CST (Viewed 12 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Whatever Happened To MoonDragon Anyway?
Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 at 12:18:58 pm CST (Viewed 209 times)



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    You know, it's kind of irritating that the "we hooked up" retcon has become a default move to instantly create character connections without having to do something radical like actually show them interacting with each other; and in the case of Moondragon, it doesn't even make sense. Her shtick in the Avengers was that she imagines she's a god who has little in common with anyone short of other gods. Hawkeye's pretty much the last person she'd sleep with.


I agree with you completely on both counts!

For a writer to say Moondragon and Hawkeye hooked up IMO shows no understanding of Moondragon whatsoever.

I can't stand retcon hookups. It's lazy writing. I don't even like it when major characters sleep together after just having met, or even worse, when they've known each other for 200 issues and suddenly sleep together without any build-up. It doesn't mean anything to the reader that way. Or worse, you find yourself going "that would never happen!"

It doesn't even take much to have us as readers wanting two characters to become a couple. You just have to do it gradually. I'm not saying there can't be some casual sex happening here and there in comics, but I'd rather those scenes involve a throwaway character being brought in as the one-night-stand rather than dragging in somebody who is already well established, because they generally aren't portrayed with enough respect.



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    It's hard not to notice that this is almost always done in ways that play to male characters' reputations and shove aside female characters. It's not as if the hookup was used to tell a story about Moondragon, but rather to exclude her from a story. Similarly, we've gotten loads of scenes about superheroines talking about Tony Stark and Matt Murdock, which is great way to turn a conversation between a bunch of female characters into a conversation about how studly a male character is.


Excellent point about the double standard in the nature of those situations.




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    Really, it's almost always the opposite of good characterization to suddenly bring in an old hookup as a plot device. When She-Hulk slept with the Juggernaut, as "funny" as a lot of fans found that -- me included, for a while -- in retrospect most of its effect is that it makes Shulkie look like she's not even vaguely serious about her legal career what with "sleeping with a client" being a disbarment offense and all, which in turn kind of diminishes one of the character's more distinctive elements. (Compare Matt Murdock, whose ethical problems around his legal work is never used as a punchline but rather as a source of intense drama.)


I *hated* the Juggernaut/She-Hulk thing immediately.



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    The previous nadir was the retroactive reveal of the Sentry-Rogue relationship, which was creepy given that the writer apparently didn't realize a) that the Sentry had been established as in a committed relationship for pretty much all of his history by Bendis and b) that Rogue was extremely inexperienced with intimacy at all because of her powers and had huge hangups that a retconned sexual relationship sort of stomps all over to no good effect.


Plus, what on earth was even the point of that one? He was already dead when that came to light. And we'd already had Crystal retconned in as someone he'd been involved with.




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    It's unfortunate that Bendis, one of the few writers who's made this work well, was involved in the clumsy Moondragon thing here (and the rape-y Scarlet Witch amnesia thing that Heinberg had to retcon later on.,..actually, what is it with Bendis making most of Hawkeye's plots about who he's sleeping with?). The whole thing works better if you read it as Hakweye making a creepy joke to get back at a character he never much liked rather than as a reference to an actual thing that happened.


Good idea.

You know, when there was a chance to actually use a "real" Hawkeye past romantic entanglement in a story, as Clint faced Moonstone when she was with the Dark Avengers, their history hardly came into play. (Dark Reign: The List - Avengers followed by New Avengers Annual #3) There was tons of wasted story potential there.

Hawkeye used to be sort of a hard-luck guy when it came to women. I don't know why anybody thought he would be a better character as Ho-keye. How many have there been? Echo. The Wasp. Moondragon. All hookups without any substance. I'm not sure what the circumstances were between Clint and Spider-Woman. Maybe somebody can chime in on whether or not that was handled better.

One thing that is frustrating for me as a longtime Hawkeye fan is that while he's been portrayed as a ladies man in recent years, he hasn't been involved with any of the women I would have liked to have seen him with. She-Hulk mainly.

And even more annoying is that a well-written Scarlet Witch/Hawkeye relationship, given their history, could have been something substantial. Instead, we got an issue most of us found offensive that pretty much eliminates the possibility of there ever being a real Scarlet Witch/Hawkeye storyline. Even with the retcon, Hawkeye isn't in the clear.