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Reverend Meteor

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USAgentfan

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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Subj: Re: They should really do something about that
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 at 11:30:46 am EDT (Viewed 2 times)
Reply Subj: Re: They should really do something about that
Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 at 05:00:04 pm EDT (Viewed 284 times)



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    Deadpool WAS are a really bad guy, but It should be remembered that the story youre all talking about happens at the very beginning of Joe Kellys run on the initial ongoing series, Deadpool doesnt make any bones about what a bad guy he is, and the whole story was about him being on the road to redemption - a place which he has (mostly) reached.



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    It was a very good story, and as well as highlighting some of the weakness of the character and some of the bad decisons he had made, it also highlights alot about how unfortunate he had been.



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    In truth its a story that despite its 'all ages' certification and lack of any of the violence or blood that has come to symbolise the comic today, makes you feel a little grubby for reading. This is a guy thats REALLY messed up - not crazy 'Ha! Ha!', but 'serial killer' crazy.



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    Is he a hero? Can he ever be a hero? That depends upon how you define 'heroism', whether you think people are always defined by their past no matter what they do in the present, and what you think of other comparable examples.


He killed people for money and enjoyed it. Unlike the Punisher he worked for bad people like Tolliver. He once killed a pizza delivery guy for spreading a rumor about a female classmate back in high school.




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    Wolverine for example has probably willingly killed dozens - does it really matter whether they were 'bad guys' (and I doubt all of them were)- he's a good guy now. Black Widow participated in Russias actions during the Cold War, and no doubt murdered, assassinated and sabotaged her way through the 1950's to the 1990's. If Russia had won the Cold War then her actions would have made her a national hero, its only because America won it and history is written by the victor that there is any criticism of her character (because American agents would have definately been doing exactly the same).


Well personally I don't think Wolverine is morally any better than Deadpool so I won't argue.


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    At this point there are probably more heroes with a history of criminality - some worse than others - than there are ones with a clean slate.


My problem is that a lot of Deadpool's actions aren't redeemable. He killed for money. He liked doing it.

A lot of other characters you can give an out to. Punisher may like killing but all the people he kills are dirty and he doesn't get paid for it. Wolverine may be a mass murderer but he doesn't like what he does. Black Widow and Captain America have killed out of patriotism but they were sanctioned by their governments. But Deadpool killed for money, sold himself to super villains and terrorists and he enjoyed his job.