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Reverend Meteor

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Subj: Re: That wasn't how the story worked Reverend...
Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 at 01:37:16 pm CDT (Viewed 429 times)
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      *** I just finished reading Secret Empire in it's entirety...and right now in a Black Site prison somewhere sits a Steve Rogers who is the Supreme Leader of Hydra?

    Yeah but we ignore that now. This fake Cosmic Cube created Steve is who we're reading about now. The real but evil Steve is still locked up.

    This is what bad writers get ya.

Neither, and both, of the Steve's are/were real.

That's how Quantum Mechanics, alternate universes, pocket universes and reality manipulation works.

Both of the Steve's created by Kobik are constructs - but it's not even that simple - because ALL OF REALITY has become a construct as well!

When Kobik had Cap A and Cap H fight, to determine who would be the real Steve Rogers, reality was in a flux - they were both, essentially, the "cat" in the famous "Schrödinger's cat" thought experiment/hypothesis.

Once Good Steve had beaten Bad Steve, Kobik then changed the Universe into one where THAT Steve had then always been the real one.

Please try to remember... the first Steve wasn't young, he was old - he was entirely rewritten on a subatomic level, the quantum states that make out his "blueprint" in the universe, was replaced. Entirely.

The fact that people aren't prepared to do the mental gymnastics required to understand how the story worked, and what Spencer intended, is but one of many permanent marks on the comic-book readership... I see the same thing repeated with other writers in mainstream superhero comics whom use non-mainstream elements in their writing - it's the same old song and dance whenever stories by Grant Morrison and Jonathan Hickman are discussed as well. People are wilfully ignorant to plot-points and the basic ideas in the stories at hand, because its different from their usual fare...

Ok point me to the issues that explain your case.

In Secret Empire 9 Good Steve says he's just Kobik's memory of him.

I don't see where in Secret Empire 10 she made Good Steve authentic or where "reality was in flux" to give credence to your schrodinger's cat conjecture. She removed the things she created in Steve's backstory to make evil Steve. I don't see that the good Steve she made became the one that has always been real. That Steve wasn't real when she created him as far as I know. He was her flawed recollection of Steve.

We don't have the real Steve back. This guy is Kobik's recollection of him.

And yes evil Steve is more legitimate than good Steve. Evil Steve was real Steve with his memories altered/timeline adjusted. But he was still a legitimate person with a mother and a father and a life etc. Good Steve is just created whole cloth out of nothing but Kobik's memory.

Since you cited all the science fiction tropes that went over my head I guess the best comparison I could come up with is this. Evil Steve is the equivalent of an evil mirror dimension Kira from DS9. Good Steve is the equivalent of a Kira hologram Quark made in his holosuite. Neither is legitimate but one is demonstrably more real than the other.

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