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Predabot

Member Since: Sun Jun 21, 2009
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Reverend Meteor

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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Subj: I shall have to admit defeat.
Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 at 07:41:38 am EDT (Viewed 383 times)
Reply Subj: Re: That wasn't how the story worked Reverend...
Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 at 02:37:16 pm EDT (Viewed 429 times)



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    Ok point me to the issues that explain your case.



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    In Secret Empire 9 Good Steve says he's just Kobik's memory of him.



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    I don't see where in Secret Empire 10 she made Good Steve authentic or where "reality was in flux" to give credence to your schrodinger's cat conjecture. She removed the things she created in Steve's backstory to make evil Steve. I don't see that the good Steve she made became the one that has always been real. That Steve wasn't real when she created him as far as I know. He was her flawed recollection of Steve.



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    We don't have the real Steve back. This guy is Kobik's recollection of him.



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    And yes evil Steve is more legitimate than good Steve. Evil Steve was real Steve with his memories altered/timeline adjusted. But he was still a legitimate person with a mother and a father and a life etc. Good Steve is just created whole cloth out of nothing but Kobik's memory.



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    Since you cited all the science fiction tropes that went over my head I guess the best comparison I could come up with is this. Evil Steve is the equivalent of an evil mirror dimension Kira from DS9. Good Steve is the equivalent of a Kira hologram Quark made in his holosuite. Neither is legitimate but one is demonstrably more real than the other.


I don't have the issues at hand, and the task would involve checking the tie-ins and main-series issues as well, not just the main series.

With this in mind, I have no option but to admit that I cannot muster the evidence - as such, feel free to disregard my interpretation.


All I can really write, is that my interpretation is that Good Steve and Bad Steve are, using Star Trek as an example, more the case of a transporter-accident with the mirror universe:
a mixture of when Bad Kirk and Good Kirk shifted places in ToS, and when William Riker was "duplicated" into Will and Tom Riker.

The memory of Steve is in essence not a "memory" as you and I have, but the actual transporter-pattern of Steve Rogers - owing to the fact that a Beyonder/Cosmic Cube, perceives reality, and people, quite differently from ourselves.


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