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Subj: Treading very close to a "Vs" thread, and they tend to go to the Battle Board, however..
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 10:16:45 am EST
Reply Subj: Shiva vs. Bane
Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 at 09:32:52 pm EST

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I realize that these types of "what ifs" are a bit tangential, however, I ask for a bit of latitude.

The question is, given how the D.C. Universe tends to rank fighters based upon martial arts prowess, could a fighter of Shiva's class beat a non Venom infused Bane?

My reason for raising this question is that seemingly, martial arts skill seems to be the great equilizer for any disparities of size, strength and/or speed.

Intuitively, it would stand to reason that despite Shiva's abilities, Bane's superior size, strength (and formidable fighting skills) would make quick work of Shiva. The key here being the fact that it is not just highly skilled Shiva taking some larger incapable or unskilled individual. Bane, although not a martial artist, is a skilled fighter.

It would be the same as why you could take the Welterweight boxing champion of the world and pit him against a top ten ranked Heavyweight and the odds would be heavily in favor of the Heavyweight winning. An example would be Mike Tyson (in his prime) against literally any Welterweight or lighter from any era. Conventional boxing wisdom would have him destroying them.

A recent post that mentioned that Black Canary (post recent training) may be a superior fighter than Batman. If it came down to it, one would think that Batman would make quick work of Black Canary (or Shiva for that matter) assuming all things equal (eg. no "sucker punch", handicaps, etc.) given that they are both highly skilled fighters. I have read the story arcs where Batman and Shiva have fought to virtual standstills and it vexes me to this day.

Just curious based upon the fact that the top fighters in the Batman D.C. Universe always seem to be ranked based upon where they stack up in the martial arts hierarchy versus whom would beat whom regardless of training discipline.

Thoughts?


> The question is, given how the D.C. Universe tends to rank fighters based upon martial arts prowess, could a fighter of Shiva's class beat a non Venom infused Bane?

IMHO, yes.

> Intuitively, it would stand to reason that despite Shiva's abilities, Bane's superior size, strength (and formidable fighting skills) would make quick work of Shiva.

Not really, because you can't consider his attributes without considering hers too... no not THOSE attributes, her fighting attributes... honestly, mind in the gutter some people... \:\)

In comics where we accept that Robin can take down three thugs all massing more than twice what he does EACH in less time than it takes to read this, you learn not to judge by size or reach.

>The key here being the fact that it is not just highly skilled Shiva taking some larger incapable or unskilled individual. Bane, although not a martial artist, is a skilled fighter.

True, but he's a brawler, she's a swift killer.

> It would be the same as why you could take the Welterweight boxing champion of the world and pit him against a top ten ranked Heavyweight and the odds would be heavily in favor of the Heavyweight winning. An example would be Mike Tyson (in his prime) against literally any Welterweight or lighter from any era. Conventional boxing wisdom would have him destroying them.

Not too sure about that, speed and dexterity can be just as important as brute strength.

> A recent post that mentioned that Black Canary (post recent training) may be a superior fighter than Batman. If it came down to it, one would think that Batman would make quick work of Black Canary (or Shiva for that matter) assuming all things equal (eg. no "sucker punch", handicaps, etc.) given that they are both highly skilled fighters.

Wouldn't surprise me if he lost, Batman doesn't devote himself to just fighting though, he's busy keeping up to date with everything else that would be useful in his career. Black Canary (with respect) isn't much of a detective or a forensics person the way Batman is.

>I have read the story arcs where Batman and Shiva have fought to virtual standstills and it vexes me to this day.

Why?

> Just curious based upon the fact that the top fighters in the Batman D.C. Universe always seem to be ranked based upon where they stack up in the martial arts hierarchy versus whom would beat whom regardless of training discipline.
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> Thoughts?

I'm hoping for a lot less of an obsession with martial arts, they didn't interest me much reading Batman back when I was a kid (The ocassional reference to using judo or karate or taekwondo notwithstanding). He'd fight to win using all his skills, not just his hand to hand skills.


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