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Subj: Re: I Think Harley Has
Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 at 04:33:25 pm EST (Viewed 1 times)
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> I asn't terribly impressed by most of it, really, excepting perhaps the bit you quoted and the lovely little scenes with Harley -- it's refreshign seeing her played as frighteningly insane rather than as light comic relief.

But has she ever been that way in the DCU before? She has a deeply unhealthy obsession with the Joker, but she's not been a killer in her own right IIRC.

> More than that, however, I'm not sure how "new" this Joker is. His smile is permanent, yes, but his terrifying annunciation of his new personality in this story is...to murder his old henchmen and then escape Arkham. He's been doing those things for around 30 years now, and while getting more of an inside track on the extent of his nihilistic thinking this time around, his actions themselves aren't especially compelling. And his little (unspoken) speech to Batman was basically straight out of Engelhart's and O'Neil's portrayals: crime is an ego-booster, he can't kill his only worthy opponent, etc.
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> Nothing new here, I'm afraid.

Yes that's my other concern with the issue, someone on another board was trying to convince me that it was major shift because of the Joker's reinvention, away from the personal attacks of Barbara and Jason/Robin. I had to point out that that was nearly two decades ago, and the Joker we've had since then has been a mass murdering spree killer. Which is what his apparent current change is supposed to be into. It seems redundant.

> > I asn't terribly impressed by most of it, really, excepting perhaps the bit you quoted and the lovely little scenes with Harley -- it's refreshign seeing her played as frighteningly insane rather than as light comic relief.
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> But has she ever been that way in the DCU before? She has a deeply unhealthy obsession with the Joker, but she's not been a killer in her own right IIRC.
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I didn't really read her series or even most of her appearances, but in No Mans Land, she was definetely at least homicidal, or at least willing to kill. She was with the Joker when he attacked officer Billy Petit's (or however you spell his last name.) camp to get the babies. I'm pretty sure she killed people. She's not really an enemy of Batmans or the Batman characters though.


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