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Subj: Re: Is a sperm donor really a "relation" in any real sense though?
Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 at 03:12:29 am EST
Reply Subj: Re: Is a sperm donor really a "relation" in any real sense though?
Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 at 12:07:35 am EST

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> > Whats issues did you read?
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> The one where Batman says Talia drugged him and took the sperm that way.

Sorry, I didnt mean to sound rude, I actually meant specifically, what issue was that? I must have missed it or misread it (what with all the multiple tellings and all).


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> >I saw plenty of romance, sure their were drugs involved too, but...
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> There HAS been romance in their past, it wasn't involved in Damian's creation.
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> >hmm... its a slippery slope, Id like to think Bruce would have concented anyway, but thats a pretty dangerous thing to think,
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> Absolutely. Not saying "no" doesn't equal consent.
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> >cause it gives guys who rape drunk girls too easy an argument (we cant really have it both ways) but anyways, Im pretty sure Damien was conceived the old fashioned way,
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> Bruce was drugged, whether test tubes were involved or actual rape, both equate to lack of informed consent.
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Well, that's a further thing Green Arrow (Ollie) and Batman now have in common. Cept this time Ollie did it (conceived a child without giving concent, and it his case he definetly was raped, by Shado) first. Quite some time ago.

That'll give em something to talk about in Outsiders no doubt. Except there's no way Dickson will bring either of those things up.

> > > Whats issues did you read?
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> > The one where Batman says Talia drugged him and took the sperm that way.

> Sorry, I didnt mean to sound rude, I actually meant specifically, what issue was that? I must have missed it or misread it (what with all the multiple tellings and all).

Grant Morrison's second issue, where Talia introduces Damian to Batman Something along the lines of "Remember that night a few years ago" and he replies "I remember being drugged for one of your insane eugenics experiements"

> Well, that's a further thing Green Arrow (Ollie) and Batman now have in common. Cept this time Ollie did it (conceived a child without giving concent, and it his case he definetly was raped, by Shado) first. Quite some time ago.

Likewise Nightwing raped by Tarantula (no children) and Jack "Starman" Knight's sperm taken by The Mist (child resulted)


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