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Subj: Re: The joker is here!
Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 at 06:22:30 pm EST (Viewed 1 times)
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> I am open minded to this design of the Joker. He looks really scary. He does look like an insane monster like Hannibal Lecter and this really is the only way Nolan could have gone because he is trying to create realistic characters that you can relate to.

But can that work with a character like the Joker?

> Batman's Joker was just a cliched crazy mobster villain and a stereotypical portrayal of a madman by Jack Nicholson. No one related to him, but by Nolan humanizing the characters in Batman Begins and making them realistic everybody can relate them.
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> Hannibal Lecter is considered the greatest villain of all time in movies.

Out of curiosity, by whom? I found him to be overblown, lacking in anything like genuine menace and played more like a panto villain by Anthony Hopkins.

> Heath Ledger according to various intervies worked hard on his portrayal of the Joker trying to get into the head of what makes such a complex madman tick. He literally became the Joker, he read the comics, tried to understand the Joker's psychology, worked on his joice and mannerisms to get the portrayal just right, and then went on to do this for weeks.

As the Joker in this movie seems to have not that much in common with the comics, one wonders why.

> The only thing I do not like about the new Joker is that the white color might now just be makeup, but really thinking about the Joker falling into a vat of chemicals and this causing his skin to be perfectly permanently bleached white forever is hard to believe.

And the rest of the Batman mythos isn't?

> But can that work with a character like the Joker?

If done right, then yes. Nolan just has to find the right balance.

> Out of curiosity, by whom? I found him to be overblown, lacking in anything like genuine menace and played more like a panto villain by Anthony Hopkins.

Well, by people the world over, but the main group that brought attention to this are the American Film Institute that voted for the one hundred best heroes and villains in movie history. AFI voted for him as the number one movie villain of all time.

The Silence of the Lambs made Hannibal Lecter recognized as the best villain in movie history the world over.

The menace of Dr. Lecter is that you cannot hide anything from him and he can bring out your deepest darkest fears. Think about meeting this guy that eats people he does not like but instead of attacking you he sits there just staring into your eyes telling you your biggest darkest secrets, taking away all your mental defense mechanisums, and then slowly but surely getting into your head as you watch him paint a masterpiece. If you are lucky you might not go insane, you might instead become his puppoet, or at worst become his meal.

>As the Joker in this movie seems to have not that much in common with the comics, one wonders why.

Well, we will have to wait and see for that to be sure, but so far I think he does have much in common with his comic book counterpart.

>And the rest of the Batman mythos isn't?

Depends on which comics of the Batman mythos you read. I try to read the most realistic ones only.