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Omar Karindu

Subj: Plot spoilers (based on recent AICN discussion IIRC) [SPOILERS]
Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 at 09:27:55 am EST (Viewed 2 times)
Reply Subj: Re: What is a realistic Joker, anyway?
Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 at 08:05:23 pm EST (Viewed 2 times)

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> Your argument is contingent on the film Joker behaving like the comic Joker or something close to that. If this movie is more detective oriented and simply based on the Joker committing homicide then I think it can work. I'm optimistic.

No, my argument is based on the film stills showing Heath Ledger wandering around in public places kicking Batman and so forth, and I repeatedly compared him to real-world serial killers rather than to the comics Joker.

To quote my own post:

Real serial killers, the ones most of us seem to agree are evoked up by this look for the Joker, instead pick targets they think are weaker than themselves -- younger women, the elderly, children and confused teens, the unsuspecting -- and use a combination of their normal appearance and their hidden viciousness to do what they do. And then they dissolve back into the population. They're not hard to catch because they're nigh-superhuman; they're hard to catch because you don't know what they look like or who they are beyond a hopelessly generic profile of "white male, aged 25 to 35, likely history of juvenile crime or unstable personal relationships."

This guy can't do that for extremely obvious reasons; Ted Bundy would have been caught within a day if he had this guy's under-the-makeup appearance. John Wayne Gacy could take the clown makeup off, and he didn't wear it to kill: he wore it as part of his mask of sanity and respectability, entertaining at children's parties.


As to optimism, reread my closing sentences:

"All that said, I'll be quite interested to see what sorts of things the movie gives this Joker to do, since in the end that is what will determine whether or not any of this works. A really well-considered plot and the suggestion in the trailer that the Joker has the mobs at his disposal will go a long way to making him seem like a match for Batman."

- Omar Karindu

"A Renoir. I have three, myself. I had four, but ordered one burned...It displeased me." -- Doctor Doom

"It's not, 'Oh, they killed Sue Dibney and I always loved that character,' it's 'Oh, they broke a story engine that could have told a thousand stories in order to publish a single 'important' one.'" -- John Seavey

> As to optimism, reread my closing sentences:
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> "All that said, I'll be quite interested to see what sorts of things the movie gives this Joker to do, since in the end that is what will determine whether or not any of this works. A really well-considered plot and the suggestion in the trailer that the Joker has the mobs at his disposal will go a long way to making him seem like a match for Batman."

The spoiler I have read suggests that the Joker will have stolen the assorted Mob's money, so essentially he has their entire income as a hostage, and they HAVE to work for him.

So not sure if "serial killer" is the way they are going to go.


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