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Subj: Re: Something that Nolan has also said about the Joker.
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 at 10:16:49 pm EST (Viewed 1 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Without Joker's Origin, he has no tie to Batman and is not relatable.
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 at 05:42:57 am EST (Viewed 1 times)

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> The Killing Joke isn't everything man. Shit, even Moore himself said he wasn't happy with it. It was a good story, but it doesn't mean that it has to be the basis for every single Joker adaptation from then on. I'm liking where Nolan is taking this. Hesa great director and i have tons of faith in him. If you let the fact that his Joker doesn't follow your expectations exactly the way you want him too, then i feel sorry for you. You should be open to new ideas.

Moore said he was not happy with The Killing Joke because it was not as grand, complicated and meaningful as his other works, such as the Swamp Thing Saga, V for Vendetta and Watchmen.

It is like an Olympic athlete getting the gold metal at an Olympic event, but not being happy with his score. >:-)

Even so Batman: The Killing Joke is still a remarkable complicated grand amazing significant read that dwarfs the writing of nearly every comic book writer. >:-D

The Joker so far has been exceeding my expectations. I like everything I have seen, except for the Joker's skin not being permanently white. However it does not mean the Joker did not fall into a chemical bath necessarily. Further the Joker putting on makeup may be an attempt to make it more like the Joker is creating his own persona, similar to how Bruce Wayne created the batsuit. If so, this is a brilliant stroke by Nolan. \:\-\)

The Joker in this film is also based off of Batman #1, when he first debuted in 1940 or 41. Anyway, in that issue, the Joker had no origin. That first issue was the Joker coming out of nowhere to begin a regin of terror and the Dynamic Duo had to fight him. No Red Hood. No chemical bath. The origin was tacked on later. Nolan is using elements of "The Killing Joke", but he's relying on Batman #1.

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