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Subj: Re: Bruce and Tim's mixed-up age [SPOILERS]
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 02:24:36 am EDT
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So Jezebel Jet comments that Bruce is "in his thirties now," seeming to indicate that Bruce is in his early 30s. I assume that Bruce was de-aged by a "Superboy-Prime Punch" as this doesn't gel with what we already know:

1. Bruce is stated as being 25 in Batman: Year One.

2. Zero Hour established that ten years had gone by since Bruce's debut as Batman, Bruce would thus be 35 at the time of Zero Hour.

3. Zatanna has previously shown to be a lover of John Constantine when both were in college. Constantine is now in his late forties, having aged in real-time for the most part. Zatanna would thus be in her late forties as well.

4. Bruce and Zatanna are said to be "childhood friends," meaning they're pretty much the same age unless an 18-year old Zatanna enjoyed playing with five-year old kids.

Then there's Tim Drake:

1. Tim was in the audience when Dick's parents died, but their has traditionally shown to be a sizeable age gap between the two. TIm was probably only five when Dick's parents died.

2. Tim was only able to drive the Redbird in its civilian form because he was granted a special underage Driver's License so he could drive his crippled father around. But no one is going to give a 12-year old a driver's license under any circumstances, so Tim was probably 14-15 at the start of his solo series.

3. Tim had at least three summer vacations in his solo series, he would have been 18-19 during One Year Later, yet he and Steph are shown as probably being juniors.

4. The current "Robin" artist and the current "Teen Titans" artist draw Tim, Steph and friends as pumped-up 18-19 year olds, yet in R.I.P., Robin Spoiler Special and Gotham Underground they're drawn as 15-16 year olds.

> Edit: Please delete the below thread, mods.
>
> So Jezebel Jet comments that Bruce is "in his thirties now," seeming to indicate that Bruce is in his early 30s. I assume that Bruce was de-aged by a "Superboy-Prime Punch" as this doesn't gel with what we already know:
>
> 1. Bruce is stated as being 25 in Batman: Year One.

It's been pushed back to 20 during Zero Month. Morrison has since said that Bruce has been Batman for about 15 years or so, starting in his early 20's. Possibly age 20. This is to account for all the stories that he is including as part of continuity.


> 2. Zero Hour established that ten years had gone by since Bruce's debut as Batman, Bruce would thus be 35 at the time of Zero Hour.
>

That's true, except a few years have gone by since then as you have to count "No Man's Land", "52" and "Countdown To Final Crisis".

> 3. Zatanna has previously shown to be a lover of John Constantine when both were in college. Constantine is now in his late forties, having aged in real-time for the most part. Zatanna would thus be in her late forties as well.
>

Retconned due to "Infinite Crisis" and that Vertigo and DC are keeping their characters separated now. So at present, post "Infinite Crisis", she probably hasn't dated Constantine or some such.

> 4. Bruce and Zatanna are said to be "childhood friends," meaning they're pretty much the same age unless an 18-year old Zatanna enjoyed playing with five-year old kids.
>

Again, changes to DCU history.

> Then there's Tim Drake:
>
> 1. Tim was in the audience when Dick's parents died, but their has traditionally shown to be a sizeable age gap between the two. TIm was probably only five when Dick's parents died.

Tim was actually about 2 to 3 at the time. Possibly four. Very young for his age. Dick was about 11 or 12.

> 2. Tim was only able to drive the Redbird in its civilian form because he was granted a special underage Driver's License so he could drive his crippled father around. But no one is going to give a 12-year old a driver's license under any circumstances, so Tim was probably 14-15 at the start of his solo series.
>

Tim was 14 during the Knight Trilogy. But he was able to get a license because of Bruce Wayne going to bat for him

> 3. Tim had at least three summer vacations in his solo series, he would have been 18-19 during One Year Later, yet he and Steph are shown as probably being juniors.

Tim is supposed to be about 17 now.

> 4. The current "Robin" artist and the current "Teen Titans" artist draw Tim, Steph and friends as pumped-up 18-19 year olds, yet in R.I.P., Robin Spoiler Special and Gotham Underground they're drawn as 15-16 year olds.

It's an artist thing. Freddie Williams II said a while ago that it was difficult finding the right balance between looking young and looking older. Not every artist draws the same way.


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