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Tenzel Kim
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In Reply To
Blue Jay

Subj: Re: Check it out again.
Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 01:03:31 pm EDT (Viewed 355 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Check it out again.
Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 11:53:50 am EDT (Viewed 2 times)



> Ever heard of a surprise attack and the police were not after the Batman. Also Batman was with his girlfriend, not someone's else's fiancee.

Seems like you haven't heard of surprise attacks or the like either? Cause Batman wasn't just beat by some doctor who happened to stick a needle into his arm. Batman was already out cold at that point so there was no way for him to prepare against being drugged.

As for Batman being with his girlfriend and not somebody else's fiancee in Dark Detective it seems you must have missed an issue or more as it seems perfectly clear from the attached picture.

> Show me when Englehart had Batman have a kid and not know about it.

Englehart didn't but O'Neil did. The story was called Son of the Demon and at the time it was supposed to be in-continuity.

> Also when he had Batman go into a sensory deprivation tank to learn more about the Joker. How about when Batman thinks he is a Batman from another planet.

Ain't it just sad that a Batman writer tries to write different stories than the ones before him. Wouldn't it be 10 times better if they just kept on telling the same story over and over again?

> How about three guys running around as Batman. Also, a villain taking down Alfred and showing up in the Batcave.

Hmm, how about a villain taking down Robin and showing up in the Batcave with his servant?

> You have a really closed mind.

Well, we can't all be as open-minded about comics as you can we? \:\)

> O'Neil never had Batman drugged up, beaten, left on the street naked and thinking he is Batman from another planet.

Naked? Hmm, is that wishfull thinking on your part cause that didn't happen in Morrison's story.

> All he did was have Bruce Wayne at a hospital thinking he was safe getting knocked out for a moment and realizing it.

So the mark of a good story is for Batman to sleep off the drug and realize it when he wakes up. Ok. Got it. All drugs have to be equally potent so that we don't end up trying something different.

> Also this was back in the 1970s, so its okay for Morrison to write like Batman is in the 1970s instead of an evolved 2008 Batman? Even, O'Neil evolved his Batman from the 1970s.

But Morrison does not write Batman like in the 1970's. The circumstances are completely different. Batman has evolved but that doesn't mean that others haven't evolved as well. So maybe the stakes have just gotten higher overall.

> Morrison shares nothing with the definitive Batman.

Of course he doesn't. Morrison is a person and Batman is a comic book character \:\-\)

The "definitive Batman"? There is no such thing. At least not universally. Every reader has his own idea what the definitive Batman is.

> You like to pick and choose scenarios, but you leave out all the details.

Because all stories should not be identical. So Batman didn't think he was from another planet but I'm pretty sure you can find other times when he was drugged that he believed himself to be something other than Batman.

> Batman ventilated the Batcave and that is how he beat it, not love. The second time around he knew already how the drug work and having overcome his greatest fear long ago the drug had little effect on him.

And the second time someone tries to administer the same drug to him in Morrison's storyline he will probably have figured out a way to counterpoint it. But not being awake when you are drugged and being drugged with a drug you have no idea you are going to be drugged with it is impossible to prepare for it.

> Admit you think Morrison is the greatest and you ignore all his flaws just because you feel like it. Then I will read his work.

And if you actually read what people wrote you'd notice that a lot of us actually don't find that this is Morrison's best work or even find it lacking.

Tenz.



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