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darth-sinister

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Solar Samurai

Subj: Re: quote from Grant Morrison about the ending to Batman RIP
Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 at 05:43:09 pm EST
Reply Subj: Re: quote from Grant Morrison about the ending to Batman RIP
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 06:13:58 pm EST (Viewed 238 times)


> > > So this was in the paper on Tuesday and it's got me thinking. Here's the quote:
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> > > “People have killed characters in the past, but to me, that kind of ends the story,” Mr. Morrison said. “So what I am doing is a fate worse than death. Things that no one would expect to happen to these guys at all.”
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> > > It kind of suggests that Batman isn't really dead, and that I think is safe to say after having read 681. It was all about how Batman prepares for any eventuality, going to impossible lengths a lot of the time.
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> > Well, that and he's in "Final Crisis" which is where the statement about rumored appearences come from.
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> Yeah, but I saw that quote in the Globe and Mail, and actual newspaper about news and stuff, and it was about Batman 681, in which we had to read and see if Batman died or something else happened. No other comics were mentioned as necessary reading.

And that quote is inaccurate. They don't talk about "Final Crisis". They talk about "R.I.P.". Trust me, that's Bruce in FC.

> > >For instance, bench pressing the top of a buried coffin to get out? I don't see that happening without at least a little super strength.
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> > Not impossible. Bruce has crawled out of a coffin before. He doesn't have super strength. What he does have is a finely toned, athletic body. He benches three times what most body builders can get to, without steroids. For an average man, he's pretty damn strong. This is nothing to him. That's why he grunts when he realizes where he's at. To him, this is child's play.
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> Hey, I'm not one of those fanboys who gets upset when stuff depicted in comics defies logic. I actually enjoy that quite a bit. So when I say it's physically impossible for any human to push out of a buried coffin, I mean in real life. No human can do that. That Batman can do it makes me smile a little bit. But in the end it's just for pretend.

I didn't say you were one of those fans. In real life, yes, it is impossible.


> > >So considering that, at the end of the comic we see Batman punch through the window of a helicopter which then explodes and falls into the water. I would imagine that's the very first eventuality a would be super crime fighter prepares for. So I think it's safe to say that's not what "worse than death" So, what is? The discovery of the "Zur En Arrh" Batman and what that means? That the whole story kind of revolves around that one moment when he was a little kid with his mom and dad is actually kind of familiar, and falls under the umbrella of DC's tendency to totally rip off TV show premises or bits from movies. I'm actually kind of sad about this one because Life on Mars is the coolest show ever made. I was a little hurt by the Booster Gold - Quantum Leap resemblance, but that show is almost 20 years old. The US remake of Life on Mars hasn't had a chance yet, and probably never will. Anyway, I guess this is a long way of explaining why I have reason to believe Bruce Wayne is going to be in a coma, maybe he's mad, or back in time. Whatever's happened, if he can work out the reason, he can get home ...
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> > We will find out what it means in "Last Rites" and "Final Crisis" will show us why Bruce is out of action. It started in "R.I.P." and concludes there.
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> Yeah but, again, out in the real world of newspapers and people who don't read comics as a sort of psychotic compulsion (meaning, people other than us), Batman 681 was the issue where you find out how Batman dies or if he does at all. So far we saw the exploding helicopter and far too many Life on Mars similarities for my comfort. All I'm saying is if the word "coma" comes up anywhere in the near future, I will not be impressed. As far as fanboy tendencies go, my main one would be that plagiarism is evil.

First off, there are two more issues that explains what happens to Bruce. The article didn't get everything. They only focused on #681 and not the stuff in the next set of issues. There was a USA Today article not long ago that talked about "Whatever Happened To The Caped Crusader?", which was in conjunction with the concluding chapter of "R.I.P.". They also weren't given or chose not to focus on those stories.

Second, Booster Gold is a time travel story. "Quantum Leap" isn't the only show that has dealt with time travel. It's not plaigirism. Otherwise, QL would be a rip off of "Back To The Future", "The Time Tunnel", "Time Cop", the works of Ray Bradbury, certain "Star Trek" episodes and so on. A common story trait of time travel stories is that someone abuses time travel for their own selfish gain. Often changing history, which leads to someone else having to come in and change it. Booster's adventures are in-synch with his previous appearences in Superman in the early 90's, "Armageddon 2001" and so on.

Third, coma isn't the story with Bruce. It's not a fate worse than death. Bruce is wide awake and will be totally messed up by the Evil Gods.


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