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Solar Samurai

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Grey Gargoyle

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Subj: Re: The best answer
Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 at 12:51:00 pm EST (Viewed 340 times)
Reply Subj: The best answer
Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 at 05:09:44 am EST (Viewed 330 times)




Can I ask a question? When you say "the Devil," are you referring to the Biblical Devil, or some random other dimensional alien who calls himself a "Devil"? And I guess when I ask "you" I mean "Grant Morrison." Because quite frankly, well, either way that idea sucks. I would hope Morrison was better than going that route in particular, but then again, after reading 682, I don't think I can trust Mr. Morrison at all. He broke my one longest standing rule of books / comics / TV / movies: never make it all out to have been a dream. What a pathetic, cheap, cop out and a waste of time for me as a reader. It's like making me spend the ten minutes to read it, and pay over 3 dollars, to get to the final page and realize that none of that stuff actually happened. I am not impressed. I thought you were better than that, Grant Morrison. I actually liked your earlier stuff. X Men, Doom Patrol, All Star Superman, that was all pretty cool stuff. And then you go and do this. How sad. So I guess what I'm saying, Grey Gargoyle, if you've made it this far (sorry for the rant), but I would imagine this lends a little more weight to your "Dr. Hurt is the Devil" theory. Because I think that idea is pretty crappy. So that stands to reason it follows Grant Morrison's modus operandi for his Batman run. It's so sad because until 682 I was cutting him a lot of slack. I thought it was all pretty cool, actually. But now he's on a short leash. If it wasn't for the upcoming short runs by Neil Gaiman and Denny O'Neil I really think this is a "droppable from pull list" offense.

But on the bright side, Batman 682 had a pretty awesome "don't smoke pot" ad. "For a free unicorn fill out this form!" I think that one had a bit of an inverse effect. And I have to wonder what the composers of that ad were on when they got that idea ... and where i can get me some.


> > I read it, but I can't figure it out. Sheesh! Can anyone help!?
> > Thanks!
>
> There is no definitive answer and it was done on purpose by Grant Morrison.
>
> When I tried to guess the answer, I thought that all clues did lead to Hugo Strange but I was totally wrong.
>
> Nevertheless, now, what is the best answer left in my opinion ?
>
> Congratulations to all the readers that correctly guessed that Doctor Hurt is an avatar of the Devil.
>
> That's the best answer.
> If you read anew all the Batman stories by Grant Morrison, everything leads to it.
>
> Simon Hurt himself provides the answer :
> "If not Dad, then have you dared to consider the only alternative?"
>
> Bruce Wayne answered Mangrove Pierce.
> Then, Simon Hurt said :
> "No, I skinned Mangrove Pierce alive and wore him to Mayhew's party."
> So, at the beginning of the Club of Heroes storyline, we actually see Simon Hurt with the face of Mangrove Pierce.
>
> So, have you dared to consider the only alternative ?
> The Devil himself is the best answer.
>
> Clues :
>
> - "dare"/devil
>
> - Simon Hurt : "I am the hole in things, Bruce, the enemy, the piece that can never fit, there since the beginning"
>
> - Batman : "In my attempts to see clearly in the deepest dark, in my efforts to go to the still eye of the storm of madness, did I open up myself to some pure source of evil? Did I finally read the limits of reason? And find the Devil waiting? And was that fear in his eyes?"
>
> - the Joker : "devil is double is deuce, my dear dr. and joker trumps deuce"
>
> - the Joker : "pleased to meet you" (Sympathy for the Devil by the Rolling Stones)
>
> - The monk works for a "dark master" (and there are pictures of demons on the wall in the background)
>
> - We see again the "third ghost of Batman" who believes that Simon Hurt is the Devil himself
>
> - The Black Glove movie : "The story is the Devil himself put a curse on the whole thing"
>
> - et cetera
>
> (or you can believe what Joker said about apophenia ... )
>
> Thus, here is what I missed and what was really obvious :
>
> Here is the "shocking revelation" that Grant Morrison was talking about : the Devil created Batman.
>
> Thus, Thomas Wayne may be the father of Bruce Wayne, but the Devil is "the father of Batman".
>
> If you read anew Batman RIP from the beginning and all the other Batman stories by Grant Morrison, everything fits.



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