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Subj: Re: The best answer
Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 at 03:48:32 pm EST (Viewed 321 times)
Reply Subj: Re: The best answer
Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 at 12:51:00 pm EST (Viewed 339 times)
I just want to precise : that's not how I would want the story to end, that's how the story seems to end.
I was trying to answer the question asked by Shawn, that's all.
Both Thomas Wayne and Mangrove Pierce look like red herrings to me (but people could easily prove me wrong and that Thomas Wayne or Mangrove Pierce is the true answer !)
Actually, many readers had correctly guessed very soon that "the Devil" was the mastermind and had talked about it on the internet many times. I did not believe them and tried my own theories (Hugo Strange, Doctor Death, the Monk, et cetera) ...
Nevertheless, now that the story is finished and that you read anew the whole run of Grant Morrison on Batman ... Well, it fits.
Read again Batman : Gothic and Arkham Asylum : a Serious House on Serious Earth, both by Grant Morrison, and it gives you even more clues leading to the same conclusion.
Honestly, there is no definitive answer, you can read the story like you want.
I only say "the Devil" because it seems like the best answer left by the story.
Simon Hurt could be :
1) an avatar of "the Christian Devil" :
Thomas and Martha Wayne were cursed because of the Black Glove movie. That's why they were killed by Chill. The "birth of Batman" was a "collateral damage" of a curse by the Devil himself.
That's the "Miracle on Crime Alley" of Batman #679.
2) the universal tempter figure of many religions and mythologies :
Like DC's Endless, he would be the embodiment of an aspect of the universe. Like them, he can take human form once in a while.
3) the most devilish man on Earth :
Batman theorized that if there is an ultimate criminal mastermind somewhere, he will meet him someday and will have to fight him.
Thus, he has to prepare for the battle.
4) the "hole in things, the enemy, the piece that can never fit, there since the beginning" :
Coming from the 5th Dimension, like Bat-Mite ...
Or, all this is apophenia, like the Joker said ...
> And I guess when I ask "you" I mean "Grant Morrison."
Exactly, not me, Grant Morrison.
> Because quite frankly, well, either way that idea sucks. I would hope Morrison was better than going that route in particular, but then again, after reading 682, I don't think I can trust Mr. Morrison at all. He broke my one longest standing rule of books / comics / TV / movies: never make it all out to have been a dream. What a pathetic, cheap, cop out and a waste of time for me as a reader. It's like making me spend the ten minutes to read it, and pay over 3 dollars, to get to the final page and realize that none of that stuff actually happened. I am not impressed. I thought you were better than that, Grant Morrison. I actually liked your earlier stuff. X Men, Doom Patrol, All Star Superman, that was all pretty cool stuff. And then you go and do this. How sad. So I guess what I'm saying, Grey Gargoyle, if you've made it this far (sorry for the rant), but I would imagine this lends a little more weight to your "Dr. Hurt is the Devil" theory. Because I think that idea is pretty crappy.
Well, I enjoyed the story.
Nevertheless, I can understand that you don't like the idea.
Indeed, it is only a theory and it can be false. (But, honestly, it is not only mine).
> So that stands to reason it follows Grant Morrison's modus operandi for his Batman run. It's so sad because until 682 I was cutting him a lot of slack. I thought it was all pretty cool, actually. But now he's on a short leash. If it wasn't for the upcoming short runs by Neil Gaiman and Denny O'Neil I really think this is a "droppable from pull list" offense.
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