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Grey Gargoyle

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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Subj: Re: The best answer
Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 at 04:18:40 pm EST (Viewed 295 times)
Reply Subj: Re: The best answer
Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 at 01:14:44 pm EST (Viewed 308 times)

> One other supporting piece in favour of it being the (big 'D') Devil, is back near the beginning I believe Morrison made some statement to the effect that when it was revealed it would be somebody the whole world recognized (i.e. not just comic readers). I seem to recall some discussion over whether Thomas Wayne would really qualify, or indeed whether ANY comic book character, Superman included, would be universally recognized. The Devil (in one form or another) would fit the bill.

Yes, I agree.

> On the other hand, he never seemed to show any sort of supernatural ability, so there is really no actual evidence within the story that points to that conclusion -- just a few random statements. So call that a neutral point.

Indeed, the conclusion was left opened. So readers can make their own conclusion ...

> Actively arguing against that idea is the fact that Hurt appeared to be not only surprised but outright frightened by Batman at the end, which doesn't make any sense to me at all. In the first place, I would expect the Devil not to need a helicopter to make his exit (maybe Raven needs to show him how it's done). And a mortal man crashing through the window sending them all into a fiery crash into the water seems like something that would be more of a problem for everyone else on board than for old Toby.
> So in the end, no, we do not know definitively who Hurt is, and that to me is one of the main reasons that RIP ultimately failed as a story arc. Without that simple piece of information it's impossible to know Hurt's motivations, which leaves everything that happened unexplained and the story fundamentally unfinished.

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