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darth-sinister

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Covenant

Subj: Re: In other words, all multi-writer continuities are "claytinuities."
Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 at 05:13:23 pm EST (Viewed 4 times)
Reply Subj: Re: In other words, all multi-writer continuities are "claytinuities."
Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 01:57:04 am EST (Viewed 288 times)



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      What are these examples you speak of that supports your statement. All I've seen is stuff that shows that from "Dr. No" to "Die Another Day" were all in continuity, except for "Never Say Never Again" which was confirmed as being out of continuity.



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    "Never Say Never Again" is actually now part of the old continuity. Well first the basic stuff like each Bond actor looks different and is a different age. Also each Bond film takes place in the current time that it is filmed in so by time of Goldeneye Bond would be a senior citizen. Following of course the different origins of Bond, such as Timothy Dalton's Bond from the 80s being a 007 that has only been at it a few years, which is also a similar case for Pierce Brosnan's Bond which only became 007 back in 1986.


Uh, no it isn't. The film was made by Warner Brothers and it was essentially a remake of "Thunderball". It was never a part of the main continuity. It just used the character history established, but didn't talk about the stories done by the producers of the main series. It was the result of a lawsuit over the rights to "Thunderball".


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    Not to mention the various references in the Pierce Brosnan James Bond film series to him being a new agent that began his job in the 80s, including the retiring of several characters to be replaced by new characters. Such as M, Q and Ms. Moneypenny retiring their jobs for new characters to take their code names.


Two things.

1. The Bond films were using the rule of thumb regarding comics. The sliding timeline. Each Bond film took place within a fifteen year period, but the timeline changed as each film went on. So when we see the flashback in "Goldeneye", it's just after James was given the double O rank, but before the events of "Dr. No".

2. In the case of M, Q and Moneypenny, that's not the same as Bond. Only M has outright been said to have had replacements and it really only came to light when Judi Dench was cast and that was only to play up the idea of having a female boss who doesn't like Bond's womanizing ways. Q was the same up until then. Yes, there was a different actor in "Dr No" and that was only due to the fact that scheduling conflicts prevented the original actor from coming back, so they recast, but it was still the same until Cleese took over. Moneypenny only changed because it was difficult having Bond flirt with a woman who was older than him, when he was younger than the actress. But she was still the same character.



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      They did that not because of money but to get away from the silly aspects that the films were known for.



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    Well they got rid of most of the silly aspects with Brosnan's Bond, however the main reason was they needed to get back to the beginning source material with a fresh modern take on Bond that does the novels justice.


There were still silly aspects in Brosnan's run.


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      It can be done, but only if the Newstand market were to come back. Sales are down because of it's absence, not continuity or poor quality.



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    I see comics in book stores like Barnes and Noble and Borders. Generally single issues don't sell there, although at times trade paperbacks and hardcovers do. The newsstands having comics I don't think would help matters much. DC and Marvel need to get with the times. They have done some progress with this with printing more trade paperbacks and hardcovers, but they still have more to do. Lack of continuity and poor quality are big complaints amongst readers. It is why both DC and Marvel have started to come out with big hardcover omnibus volumes that contain several issues connected to one another along with having some large grand pages as well as vibrant fine colors. This is also why both DC and Marvel have started to support more having one writer write one comic for longer periods.


In 1998, there were comics in all kinds of places. Wal-Mart, Target, Shopko, certain convience stores, Walgreens, local pharmacies and grocery stores. In addition to Barnes & Noble, Walden and Boarders. Within a year, only those book stores were carrying comics. Comics were found in all kinds of places over a decade ago. The absence of the newstand market is what's hurting comics more than anything.

DC and Marvel have had people on titles for long stretches this past decade. Rucka and Brubaker had a good run on the Batman books. Brubaker's had a good run on Captain America. Bendis had long runs with Daredevil and now the Avengers books. Loeb had five years on Superman. Simone had a few years on BoP before leaving due to a heavy work load. And before then, there were writers who were on for long stretches. Jurgens had about eight years or so with Superman. David had tweleve years on the Hulk.


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