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Subj: Re: Not necessarily; it's just not always shown on-panel.
Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 at 11:49:59 am EST (Viewed 22 times)
Reply Subj: Not necessarily; it's just not always shown on-panel.
Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 at 03:26:34 pm EST (Viewed 338 times)
Numbers really don't matter. Whether it's five or 5,000, the Joker doesn't hesitate to kill. He suffers no remorse and doesn't let death, the threat of death or the possibility of death sway his plans in anyway shape or form.
The first Joker story I read was the classic Joker fish story of 475-476. It starts with Joker and a few of his henchmen walking into the office of a government bureaucrat. He wants to copyright jokerized fish. He says that unless he gets what he wants, he'll kill everyone on the copyright commission, one by one.. He and his men walk out of the office and are on the street when one of the thugs asks what's next. The Joker pushes him in front of a truck and says, "none of your business."
The Joker then uses ingenius methods to kill two of the copyright commissioners. Remember, he's tipped his hand and each of these men have police and Batman protection. As the Batman points out, the Joker uses fear to cloud mens' minds.
The point isn't body count, it's the use of fear to achieve his goals. Look at the film The Dark Knight. The Joker personally kills Bus Driver robber, maybe the bank manager, Gambol's three body guards, (one with the magic trick, two with knives while being "dead" on a pool table), Gambol, Brian the Bat vigilante, Mr. Harvey and Mr. Dent (to make one "Harvey Dent") the guys killed in jail when the gut bomb went off, the cop at the barricade. His men killed Rachel, the Chechyn, the Judge, the original commissioner and Lau.
By my count, that's 15 not counting the people in prison. A rough estimate to them includes Fatty, the guard the two paramedics, and we'll say five others around the cell, including other prisoners. Police and such might have been stunned, knocked out, etc.
So a total count of 24 definate deaths and another 10 or 20 possible deaths, gives us a total of fewer than 50 deaths. Yet with these deaths, the Joker is able to create city-wide panic. The bridges are jammed, the traffic is horrendous. Sal Maroni, survivor of the Mafia and various gang wars, murders and conspiracies, flees Gotham. He cooperates with the police. The National Guard is called in.
The point is it's not about quanity, it's about quality. The Joker kills without hesitation. One murder is a tragedy, two is a tragedy, three is a tragedy. Numbers don't make the Joker a terror. Comparing his numbers to Hitler is insulting. One or 5,000, he's a dangerous psychopath who will always be a danger. If they'd only remember to lock the cell door everytime he gets captured.
What I'd like to see is how many times has the Joker been captured in, say, the last three years. Seriously, someone make that estimate. The problem with the Joker is not his murder stats, it's that writers can't think of new and interesting villains. They keep trotting out the same villains over and over again.
But that's a rant for another day.
Or I could be wrong.
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