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Victor

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imp9537

Subj: I agree with you guys, I think. Cap is too good for the Marvel U under Stark [SPOILERS]
Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 09:26:54 am CST
Reply Subj: Cap is no longer relevant after the Registration Act...
Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 06:50:18 am CST

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I'd agree with Cap being no longer relevant. Well, no. Of course not.

But the Marvel universe has changed. Government sanctioned superheroes, registered, subject to review as a matter of draft -- that's become the norm in Marvel's America. And it's an America that Captain America wants no part in. And since the United States doesn't seem likely to alter that legislation, Captain America no longer stands for his country. He doesn't want to fight on their behalf anymore, he doesn't see how he can as they have plainly come to a parting of ideologies.

So... in that context, I don't know what Cap would be doing as a superhero. Captain America died the day he surrendered. I don't know if it was necessary for Steve Rogers to die too, but I suppose it certainly lends weight to exploring the issues of how Cap has no place in this new Marvel Universe -- at least not yet.

- Ibrahim Ng

> Many are saying that Cap's death is because he is no longer relevant. I hope this storyline proves this wrong. In fact, seeing how many people are saying - as they've saying for awhile now - that Cap is out of step with the times, I think that Cap's death is a good thing.
>
> As Cap's co-creator said, we need Cap more than ever.
>
> The assumption that Cap is out of step with the times is rooted in two very ignorant assumptions. The first is that the 1930s-1940s was more "black-and-white" as opposed to the our times, which is replete with shades of grey. While there is a little truth to this, it is only a little. Moreover, those who actually fought in WWII, they were only too familiar with moral ambiguities and difficulties in a way that civilians were not. Also, the greatest generation was not so far from the roaring 20s that they were unfamiliar with "shades of grey."
>
> The second faulty assumption is that our culture is all shades of grey. Again, there is some truth to this. But even yesterday I was reading the story of a courageous soldier who sacrificed his life saving others by fighting dozens of al qaeda terrorists flowing out of basements. His body was found booby-trapped, beaten, and shot execution style. Or, for another example, the soldiers interviewed on NBC Nightly News this week, who sign up for multiple tours of duty - which they don't have to - because the Iraqi people want them to stay and help stabilize their area. Or even at home, the thousands of people who police or streets, go into burning buildings, run charities, or even just coach little leauge.
>
> Or how about the economic backbone of our country, small business entrepreneurs find a world of risk (and tax and regulation), employ others, pay themselves last, and if they are successful, a surprising number of hands reaching into their pockets; yet they take on the risk, and usually have a number of failed businesses and years of slavish work with little reward before success - if any.
>
> Of course, these folks do not often make the talking-head shows, or seek popularity on "My Space" and "You tube." But their numbers are legion, and we depend on them every day. And the good they do is black-and-white, if not glamorous.
>
> The heroic spirit of courage and sacrifice the Captain America symbolizes is not out of step with our times. If it takes his death to make the point, then so be it.
>
> Ol' Skinflint

While I do think Cap would have come up with a better alternative than fighting, I also think that at the core, he was right.

I know that as of late, civil rights seems like a Democratic concern, but as others have pointed out, thats not the only way to look at this.
Registration is big government at its most intrusive.
Civil rights and limited government demand sacrifice.

That sacrifice at times means accepting that we are less safe, less protected, etc. Devising a way we can be "safe" no matter what the cost is the cardinal trick of all power mongers. Funny how safety just happens to bring the authors of such ideas broader power with fewer checks and balances. Just a coincidence I'm sure.

And the populace nods and claps not realizing that safety has cost them the very soul of what America stands for. When did we become so wimpy?

I hope we deserve Cap again someday.

Victor


> I'd agree with Cap being no longer relevant. Well, no. Of course not.
>
> But the Marvel universe has changed. Government sanctioned superheroes, registered, subject to review as a matter of draft -- that's become the norm in Marvel's America. And it's an America that Captain America wants no part in. And since the United States doesn't seem likely to alter that legislation, Captain America no longer stands for his country. He doesn't want to fight on their behalf anymore, he doesn't see how he can as they have plainly come to a parting of ideologies.
>
> So... in that context, I don't know what Cap would be doing as a superhero. Captain America died the day he surrendered. I don't know if it was necessary for Steve Rogers to die too, but I suppose it certainly lends weight to exploring the issues of how Cap has no place in this new Marvel Universe -- at least not yet.
>
> - Ibrahim Ng
>
> > Many are saying that Cap's death is because he is no longer relevant. I hope this storyline proves this wrong. In fact, seeing how many people are saying - as they've saying for awhile now - that Cap is out of step with the times, I think that Cap's death is a good thing.
> >
> > As Cap's co-creator said, we need Cap more than ever.
> >
> > The assumption that Cap is out of step with the times is rooted in two very ignorant assumptions. The first is that the 1930s-1940s was more "black-and-white" as opposed to the our times, which is replete with shades of grey. While there is a little truth to this, it is only a little. Moreover, those who actually fought in WWII, they were only too familiar with moral ambiguities and difficulties in a way that civilians were not. Also, the greatest generation was not so far from the roaring 20s that they were unfamiliar with "shades of grey."
> >
> > The second faulty assumption is that our culture is all shades of grey. Again, there is some truth to this. But even yesterday I was reading the story of a courageous soldier who sacrificed his life saving others by fighting dozens of al qaeda terrorists flowing out of basements. His body was found booby-trapped, beaten, and shot execution style. Or, for another example, the soldiers interviewed on NBC Nightly News this week, who sign up for multiple tours of duty - which they don't have to - because the Iraqi people want them to stay and help stabilize their area. Or even at home, the thousands of people who police or streets, go into burning buildings, run charities, or even just coach little leauge.
> >
> > Or how about the economic backbone of our country, small business entrepreneurs find a world of risk (and tax and regulation), employ others, pay themselves last, and if they are successful, a surprising number of hands reaching into their pockets; yet they take on the risk, and usually have a number of failed businesses and years of slavish work with little reward before success - if any.
> >
> > Of course, these folks do not often make the talking-head shows, or seek popularity on "My Space" and "You tube." But their numbers are legion, and we depend on them every day. And the good they do is black-and-white, if not glamorous.
> >
> > The heroic spirit of courage and sacrifice the Captain America symbolizes is not out of step with our times. If it takes his death to make the point, then so be it.
> >
> > Ol' Skinflint


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