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Epyon

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Subj: Exactly. Ergo, my belief that Iron Man did not fight smart....
Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 at 01:34:04 pm EDT
Reply Subj: What I fail to understand is...
Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 at 12:51:08 pm EDT

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...why he (Stark) did not elect a different delivery mechanism for his nanites, one that would allow him to target the Hulk from a safer range.
Adamantium-tipped darts fired outside the Hulk's threat range IMO would have been the wiser option, using a suit that maximized speed and mobility. I for one am not saying the Hulkbuster is slow--it probably showcases excellent flight speed--but I imagine that most writers view it as cumbersome, at least more than most of his repetoire of armor suit. And really... why close in on the Hulk in the first place? Sure... Stark has had mixed success in battle against the Hulk, but rarely in the fisticuffs department.

My opinion is that Pak chose this particular suit of armor because--well, it IS the Hulkbuster suit, at least in name. It was another way for Pak to highlight Hulk's increased physical strength by showing him defeating Iron Man in an armor suit that has historically giving the Hulk a run for his money. With that said, since it IS the Hulkbuster suit, Tony IMO would factor in the Hulk's ability to leap great distances at airborne foes and implement certain countermeasures for such occassion. Ultimately, maybe Stark was taken aback because the nanites failed to do ANYTHING, at least based on his perception since it may very well be the case he never had the nanites in the first place.




> > > and with this Hulkbuster suit he very likely sacrificed much of the regular suits ability in favor of durability and power, there's no way something that clumsy and unwieldy can be considered 'Fast'
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> > we are arguing over whether or not the suit is fast. You cant use the assumption that the suit is clumsy, unwieldy and slow as the premise for your argument that it is slow.
> >
> Wrong, i can look at the available evidence and continuity and draw a conclusion from the known facts.
> I have seen a lot more evidence that the suit was not up to the mobility standards of a regular suit than i have to suggest it was!
> Simply Willing the buster suit to be that fast so that you can win your argument is no way to make a case.
>
> In summary: that speciality suit was something Stark built to deliver a payload of Nanites, that was his chief strategy. He knew though he would have to get in close & personal and need a suit built for protection and power.
> If that suit, indeed any speciality suit, was as fast & capable as you wish it were then it would be something he would be utilising a lot more than he does. He would be wearing a variation of that suit as his regular one, it's just common sense.
> But as it stands these are only built for specific jobs, they are no replacement for the Versatility, mobility and speed that his regular suit gives him - when he was beaten by Firepower he didn't just build a Big heavily armed suit and retaliate in kind, he instead went for a faster more mobile regular suit as his standard.
> When he was beaten by Ultimo he didn't opt for a bulky purpose built suit he instead went for a faster more versatile suit as his standard.... In both of these examples he designed the suit to replace his old one as well as adapting them to what actually defeated him.
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> There is a reason he opts for the regular slimline suit he wears and a reason he only occasionally has to resort to a specially built one and that has a great deal to do with the formers mobility & speed.
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>
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> "LOL ...LMAO...*wink*... Guffaw... *sigh*..." (etc etc...)

As far as I can see, he ignored Iron Man's superhuman reaction time, spider-sense, and access to adamantium weapons and armor. I'm not saying Pak turned Iron Man into a jobber. In fact, I think Iron Man had a better showing than anyone else who has fought WWH to this point. But I don't think Pak fully understands what Iron Man is capable of these days. And given the lax editorial guidelines at Marvel, he wasn't required to "educate" himself about Iron Man. I was pleasantly surprised that Pak showcased Iron Man's control over electronics, considering that some writers (such as Dan Slott) ignore ALL of Iron Man's upgrades. This is why I would have loved to see Pak talked to the Knaufs about how a full bore Iron Man v. Hulk fight would go down. Maybe it will happen in the future. After WWH, I don't think Hulk and Iron Man are going to exactly buddy buddy.

> ...why he (Stark) did not elect a different delivery mechanism for his nanites, one that would allow him to target the Hulk from a safer range.
> Adamantium-tipped darts fired outside the Hulk's threat range IMO would have been the wiser option, using a suit that maximized speed and mobility. I for one am not saying the Hulkbuster is slow--it probably showcases excellent flight speed--but I imagine that most writers view it as cumbersome, at least more than most of his repetoire of armor suit. And really... why close in on the Hulk in the first place? Sure... Stark has had mixed success in battle against the Hulk, but rarely in the fisticuffs department.
>
> My opinion is that Pak chose this particular suit of armor because--well, it IS the Hulkbuster suit, at least in name. It was another way for Pak to highlight Hulk's increased physical strength by showing him defeating Iron Man in an armor suit that has historically giving the Hulk a run for his money. With that said, since it IS the Hulkbuster suit, Tony IMO would factor in the Hulk's ability to leap great distances at airborne foes and implement certain countermeasures for such occassion. Ultimately, maybe Stark was taken aback because the nanites failed to do ANYTHING, at least based on his perception since it may very well be the case he never had the nanites in the first place.
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> > > > and with this Hulkbuster suit he very likely sacrificed much of the regular suits ability in favor of durability and power, there's no way something that clumsy and unwieldy can be considered 'Fast'
> > >
> > > we are arguing over whether or not the suit is fast. You cant use the assumption that the suit is clumsy, unwieldy and slow as the premise for your argument that it is slow.
> > >
> > Wrong, i can look at the available evidence and continuity and draw a conclusion from the known facts.
> > I have seen a lot more evidence that the suit was not up to the mobility standards of a regular suit than i have to suggest it was!
> > Simply Willing the buster suit to be that fast so that you can win your argument is no way to make a case.
> >
> > In summary: that speciality suit was something Stark built to deliver a payload of Nanites, that was his chief strategy. He knew though he would have to get in close & personal and need a suit built for protection and power.
> > If that suit, indeed any speciality suit, was as fast & capable as you wish it were then it would be something he would be utilising a lot more than he does. He would be wearing a variation of that suit as his regular one, it's just common sense.
> > But as it stands these are only built for specific jobs, they are no replacement for the Versatility, mobility and speed that his regular suit gives him - when he was beaten by Firepower he didn't just build a Big heavily armed suit and retaliate in kind, he instead went for a faster more mobile regular suit as his standard.
> > When he was beaten by Ultimo he didn't opt for a bulky purpose built suit he instead went for a faster more versatile suit as his standard.... In both of these examples he designed the suit to replace his old one as well as adapting them to what actually defeated him.
> >
> > There is a reason he opts for the regular slimline suit he wears and a reason he only occasionally has to resort to a specially built one and that has a great deal to do with the formers mobility & speed.
> >
> >
> >
> > "LOL ...LMAO...*wink*... Guffaw... *sigh*..." (etc etc...)


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