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Fifthchild

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Maestro

Subj: Re: Sorry but yep.
Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 at 07:06:14 am EDT
Reply Subj: Sorry but yep.
Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 at 03:18:45 pm EDT

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> The scans make clear that the HB suit knew what IM was going to do. Armed with that kind of knowledge, you don't have to be superhumanly fast.
>

Sorry but you do have to be superhumanly fast if the guy coming at you can react in 0.002 seconds. No amount of "anticipation" is going to allow you to not get hit unless your own speed at the very least is close to that of your attacker. To put it another way, your anticipation may warn you that the blow is coming... but if you are not fast enough to move back/dodge in time, this "anticipation" won't help you much.
Also, the fact that the Argonaut had a computer brain doesn't explain how the HB drone was able to hit a super fast Extremis Iron Man. The only thing that would have allowed the HB to do that would have been the speed of its armored right arm.


>Also, and just as important, the HB suit was a robot. Its reflexes are computer fast. They are not slowed by the reaction time of the "meat" inside it, because there IS no meat. The reason why IM's reaction time wasn't superhuman until Extremis was because the meat (his body) was too slow. This was explored in IRON MAN: HYPERVELOCITY limited series. Go read it, if you don't believe me. It's a great story.
>

The thing is... this isn't the old Iron Man who has had to rely on motors and transistors to enhance his armor's physical movements whenever he is inside. The Extremis virus now allows him to be "hardwired" directly to his Armor's electronics therefore allowing the armor and the man inside to move and react as one. There is no reason not to believe that Tony and the Hulkbuster were not similarly wired together. Even if Tony was not physically touching the HB armor when strapped inside, wireless and infra-red communications could still do the job of linking Stark's Extremis enhanced neurological systemn with the electronics of the HB armor itself.

Once again, we know Stark can build HB armors that are super fast. Whether they be robots or Armor to be worn is irrelevant. Both types are extremely heavy and bulky. We also know that Extremis allows Tony and whatever Armor he puts on to be able to act as one entity. That Tony might have been wearing Armor even when inside the HB is also irrelevant. Even todays technology allows linking between different components of machinery without having wires conncecting or even physical touch. There is simply no logical reason why Tony would have built a slow HB to face the Hulk when he has built fast ones before... no reason at all.

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> > > Somebody tell me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Extremis "virus" exists independently of the armor and this abilities should work with any armor, yes? So the only reason the Hulk Buster armor would be slower would be because that actual armor is slower, which is usually the case in comics (stronger = slower). The mechanics of movement are different. Those massive legs can't be too agile.
> >
> > Perfect example... the Hulkbuster Armor that the Avengers and FF fought in the "Executive Program" arc written by the Knaufs. In the first scan we can see just how fast Extremis is. Then we see a bulky gigantic Hulkbuster Armor effortlessly dodge the very same Extremis blows like they were in slow motion.
> >
> > Heh... I can hear IM fans yelling in front their monitors right now, "but... the Hulkbuster anticipated Tony's moves thats why it could dodge him" ! \:\-P
> > Well sorry, but you can anticipate till the cows come home... that don't mean squat if the guy coming at you has reflexes at speeds under 0.002 seconds. That Hulkbuster Armor was clearly as fast as Extremis because not only was it able to dodge Tony, it was also fast enough to hit him too.
> >
> > Which brings us back to the HB armor that Tony wore in his fight with the Hulk. Stark has proven that he can build armors that are extremely fast, regardless of how large and bulky the Armor may be. The Argonaut clearly dwarfed the HB in size yet it was without a doubt as fast as the Extremis... that point cannot possibly be disputed. Does anyone here really think that with his proven technology to build super large armors that come with blistering speed, Tony would have designed his latest Hulkbuster (the one in WWH) to be dead slow ?
> > Hell no !
> >
> > Tony would would have gone into that faithful fight against the Hulk with every possible advantage that he could eck out of his suit. The nanobots may have been the primary weapon but that wouldn't have stopped Stark from trying to make sure that if the bots ever failed, his Armor would have enough strength and speed to take the Hulk out physically. Isn't that why the armor is called a Hulk Buster ?
> >

> > The scans make clear that the HB suit knew what IM was going to do. Armed with that kind of knowledge, you don't have to be superhumanly fast.
> >
>
> Sorry but you do have to be superhumanly fast if the guy coming at you can react in 0.002 seconds. No amount of "anticipation" is going to allow you to not get hit unless your own speed at the very least is close to that of your attacker.

Exactly would Professor X be able to dodge a superspeed attack from Superman because he knows when Superman decides to launch it? Or would he be able to think "Supermans about to" and thats it at best?

> To put it another way, your anticipation may warn you that the blow is coming... but if you are not fast enough to move back/dodge in time, this "anticipation" won't help you much.

And its not as if the drone had hours of planning - it knew when the punch was coming pretty much when Tony knew the punch was gonna be thrown. "You know because I know"

> Also, the fact that the Argonaut had a computer brain doesn't explain how the HB drone was able to hit a super fast Extremis Iron Man. The only thing that would have allowed the HB to do that would have been the speed of its armored right arm.
>
>
> >Also, and just as important, the HB suit was a robot. Its reflexes are computer fast. They are not slowed by the reaction time of the "meat" inside it, because there IS no meat. The reason why IM's reaction time wasn't superhuman until Extremis was because the meat (his body) was too slow. This was explored in IRON MAN: HYPERVELOCITY limited series. Go read it, if you don't believe me. It's a great story.
> >
>
> The thing is... this isn't the old Iron Man who has had to rely on motors and transistors to enhance his armor's physical movements whenever he is inside. The Extremis virus now allows him to be "hardwired" directly to his Armor's electronics therefore allowing the armor and the man inside to move and react as one. There is no reason not to believe that Tony and the Hulkbuster were not similarly wired together. Even if Tony was not physically touching the HB armor when strapped inside, wireless and infra-red communications could still do the job of linking Stark's Extremis enhanced neurological systemn with the electronics of the HB armor itself.
>
Exactly speed of sensory and effector signals between Tony and the HB suit should be the same or at lesat insignificantly different.

> Once again, we know Stark can build HB armors that are super fast. Whether they be robots or Armor to be worn is irrelevant. Both types are extremely heavy and bulky. We also know that Extremis allows Tony and whatever Armor he puts on to be able to act as one entity. That Tony might have been wearing Armor even when inside the HB is also irrelevant. Even todays technology allows linking between different components of machinery without having wires conncecting or even physical touch. There is simply no logical reason why Tony would have built a slow HB to face the Hulk when he has built fast ones before... no reason at all.
>
> >
> > > > Somebody tell me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Extremis "virus" exists independently of the armor and this abilities should work with any armor, yes? So the only reason the Hulk Buster armor would be slower would be because that actual armor is slower, which is usually the case in comics (stronger = slower). The mechanics of movement are different. Those massive legs can't be too agile.
> > >
> > > Perfect example... the Hulkbuster Armor that the Avengers and FF fought in the "Executive Program" arc written by the Knaufs. In the first scan we can see just how fast Extremis is. Then we see a bulky gigantic Hulkbuster Armor effortlessly dodge the very same Extremis blows like they were in slow motion.
> > >
> > > Heh... I can hear IM fans yelling in front their monitors right now, "but... the Hulkbuster anticipated Tony's moves thats why it could dodge him" ! \:\-P
> > > Well sorry, but you can anticipate till the cows come home... that don't mean squat if the guy coming at you has reflexes at speeds under 0.002 seconds. That Hulkbuster Armor was clearly as fast as Extremis because not only was it able to dodge Tony, it was also fast enough to hit him too.
> > >
> > > Which brings us back to the HB armor that Tony wore in his fight with the Hulk. Stark has proven that he can build armors that are extremely fast, regardless of how large and bulky the Armor may be. The Argonaut clearly dwarfed the HB in size yet it was without a doubt as fast as the Extremis... that point cannot possibly be disputed. Does anyone here really think that with his proven technology to build super large armors that come with blistering speed, Tony would have designed his latest Hulkbuster (the one in WWH) to be dead slow ?
> > > Hell no !
> > >
> > > Tony would would have gone into that faithful fight against the Hulk with every possible advantage that he could eck out of his suit. The nanobots may have been the primary weapon but that wouldn't have stopped Stark from trying to make sure that if the bots ever failed, his Armor would have enough strength and speed to take the Hulk out physically. Isn't that why the armor is called a Hulk Buster ?
> > >


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