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Fifthchild

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Epyon

Subj: Re: Nope.
Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 at 07:18:13 am EDT
Reply Subj: Nope.
Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 at 08:40:13 am EDT

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The scans make clear that the HB suit knew what IM was going to do. Armed with that kind of knowledge, you don't have to be superhumanly fast. Also, and just as important, the HB suit was a robot. Its reflexes are computer fast. They are not slowed by the reaction time of the "meat" inside it, because there IS no meat. The reason why IM's reaction time wasn't superhuman until Extremis was because the meat (his body) was too slow. This was explored in IRON MAN: HYPERVELOCITY limited series. Go read it, if you don't believe me. It's a great story.

> > Somebody tell me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Extremis "virus" exists independently of the armor and this abilities should work with any armor, yes? So the only reason the Hulk Buster armor would be slower would be because that actual armor is slower, which is usually the case in comics (stronger = slower). The mechanics of movement are different. Those massive legs can't be too agile.
>
> Perfect example... the Hulkbuster Armor that the Avengers and FF fought in the "Executive Program" arc written by the Knaufs. In the first scan we can see just how fast Extremis is. Then we see a bulky gigantic Hulkbuster Armor effortlessly dodge the very same Extremis blows like they were in slow motion.
>
> Heh... I can hear IM fans yelling in front their monitors right now, "but... the Hulkbuster anticipated Tony's moves thats why it could dodge him" ! \:\-P
> Well sorry, but you can anticipate till the cows come home... that don't mean squat if the guy coming at you has reflexes at speeds under 0.002 seconds. That Hulkbuster Armor was clearly as fast as Extremis because not only was it able to dodge Tony, it was also fast enough to hit him too.
>
> Which brings us back to the HB armor that Tony wore in his fight with the Hulk. Stark has proven that he can build armors that are extremely fast, regardless of how large and bulky the Armor may be. The Argonaut clearly dwarfed the HB in size yet it was without a doubt as fast as the Extremis... that point cannot possibly be disputed. Does anyone here really think that with his proven technology to build super large armors that come with blistering speed, Tony would have designed his latest Hulkbuster (the one in WWH) to be dead slow ?
> Hell no !
>
> Tony would would have gone into that faithful fight against the Hulk with every possible advantage that he could eck out of his suit. The nanobots may have been the primary weapon but that wouldn't have stopped Stark from trying to make sure that if the bots ever failed, his Armor would have enough strength and speed to take the Hulk out physically. Isn't that why the armor is called a Hulk Buster ?
>

> The scans make clear that the HB suit knew what IM was going to do. Armed with that kind of knowledge, you don't have to be superhumanly fast.

IT knew when Tony knew. It wasn't reading seconds into the future. And if Tony is superhumanly fast that gives it even less time to begin dodging or whatever. And yes you do have to be superhumanly fast. If I stand in front of you and tell you I am about to shoot you then I wish you good luck in dodging the bullet with your foreknowledge.
If what you argue is true no telepath should ever be hit by Superman or The Flash cos they can read what they are going to do an microsecond before Supes fist goess through their brain.

> Also, and just as important, the HB suit was a robot. Its reflexes are computer fast. They are not slowed by the reaction time of the "meat" inside it, because there IS no meat.

Do you know what humans are really good at and computers are really bad at? Exactly the sort of thing that this robot was trying to do. ie move without falling over, pick different objects out of a visual scene, pick something up etc. I have no doubt that a Stark robot is much better than anything we have come up with but the idea that it automatically does everything as quickly as it might multiply a couple of really big numbers together (the sort of thing humans are relatively bad at) does not mean its processing speed is unniformly quick. It still has to take in information, weigh up options and decide on a course of action - just like us.
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> The reason why IM's reaction time wasn't superhuman until Extremis was because the meat (his body) was too slow. This was explored in IRON MAN: HYPERVELOCITY limited series. Go read it, if you don't believe me. It's a great story.
>
> > > Somebody tell me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Extremis "virus" exists independently of the armor and this abilities should work with any armor, yes? So the only reason the Hulk Buster armor would be slower would be because that actual armor is slower, which is usually the case in comics (stronger = slower). The mechanics of movement are different. Those massive legs can't be too agile.
> >
> > Perfect example... the Hulkbuster Armor that the Avengers and FF fought in the "Executive Program" arc written by the Knaufs. In the first scan we can see just how fast Extremis is. Then we see a bulky gigantic Hulkbuster Armor effortlessly dodge the very same Extremis blows like they were in slow motion.
> >
> > Heh... I can hear IM fans yelling in front their monitors right now, "but... the Hulkbuster anticipated Tony's moves thats why it could dodge him" ! \:\-P
> > Well sorry, but you can anticipate till the cows come home... that don't mean squat if the guy coming at you has reflexes at speeds under 0.002 seconds. That Hulkbuster Armor was clearly as fast as Extremis because not only was it able to dodge Tony, it was also fast enough to hit him too.
> >
> > Which brings us back to the HB armor that Tony wore in his fight with the Hulk. Stark has proven that he can build armors that are extremely fast, regardless of how large and bulky the Armor may be. The Argonaut clearly dwarfed the HB in size yet it was without a doubt as fast as the Extremis... that point cannot possibly be disputed. Does anyone here really think that with his proven technology to build super large armors that come with blistering speed, Tony would have designed his latest Hulkbuster (the one in WWH) to be dead slow ?
> > Hell no !
> >
> > Tony would would have gone into that faithful fight against the Hulk with every possible advantage that he could eck out of his suit. The nanobots may have been the primary weapon but that wouldn't have stopped Stark from trying to make sure that if the bots ever failed, his Armor would have enough strength and speed to take the Hulk out physically. Isn't that why the armor is called a Hulk Buster ?
> >


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