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Fifthchild

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Daveym

Subj: Re: The way I understood Extremis to work is...
Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 at 07:56:40 am EDT
Reply Subj: Re: The way I understood Extremis to work is...
Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 at 07:48:31 am EDT

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> > and with this Hulkbuster suit he very likely sacrificed much of the regular suits ability in favor of durability and power, there's no way something that clumsy and unwieldy can be considered 'Fast'
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> we are arguing over whether or not the suit is fast. You cant use the assumption that the suit is clumsy, unwieldy and slow as the premise for your argument that it is slow.
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Wrong, i can look at the available evidence and continuity and draw a conclusion from the known facts.
I have seen a lot more evidence that the suit was not up to the mobility standards of a regular suit than i have to suggest it was!
Simply Willing the buster suit to be that fast so that you can win your argument is no way to make a case.

In summary: that speciality suit was something Stark built to deliver a payload of Nanites, that was his chief strategy. He knew though he would have to get in close & personal and need a suit built for protection and power.
If that suit, indeed any speciality suit, was as fast & capable as you wish it were then it would be something he would be utilising a lot more than he does. He would be wearing a variation of that suit as his regular one, it's just common sense.
But as it stands these are only built for specific jobs, they are no replacement for the Versatility, mobility and speed that his regular suit gives him - when he was beaten by Firepower he didn't just build a Big heavily armed suit and retaliate in kind, he instead went for a faster more mobile regular suit as his standard.
When he was beaten by Ultimo he didn't opt for a bulky purpose built suit he instead went for a faster more versatile suit as his standard.... In both of these examples he designed the suit to replace his old one as well as adapting them to what actually defeated him.

There is a reason he opts for the regular slimline suit he wears and a reason he only occasionally has to resort to a specially built one and that has a great deal to do with the formers mobility & speed.



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> > > and with this Hulkbuster suit he very likely sacrificed much of the regular suits ability in favor of durability and power, there's no way something that clumsy and unwieldy can be considered 'Fast'
> >
> > we are arguing over whether or not the suit is fast. You cant use the assumption that the suit is clumsy, unwieldy and slow as the premise for your argument that it is slow.
> >
> Wrong, i can look at the available evidence and continuity and draw a conclusion from the known facts.

Which is exactly what you didnt do. You said "theres no way something that clumsy and slow can be considered fast" before you had even presented an argument. Clumsy and unwieldy? Where did it fall over its shoelaces? Nowhere did it show itself to be clumsy and unwieldy. The fact that Iron Man said "Oh hell" before the Hulk hit him I addressed in the post I linked to. Since that was your only argument your use of something you are trying to etablish as evidence for your own case ("The suit is not fast because it is slow") is worthless.

> I have seen a lot more evidence that the suit was not up to the mobility standards of a regular suit than i have to suggest it was!
> Simply Willing the buster suit to be that fast so that you can win your argument is no way to make a case.

Ironic that you would say this.

> In summary: that speciality suit was something Stark built to deliver a payload of Nanites, that was his chief strategy. He knew though he would have to get in close & personal and need a suit built for protection and power.
> If that suit, indeed any speciality suit, was as fast & capable as you wish it were then it would be something he would be utilising a lot more than he does. He would be wearing a variation of that suit as his regular one, it's just common sense.

Why? Why does he need something so strong in day to day use or in a typical Avengers field mission? Why would he be walking around the SHIELD helicarrier in a suit designed to be about class 150 lets say as opposed to his regular class 90-100 armor? Is he always expecting to go hand to hand with Thanos or the Abomination.

> But as it stands these are only built for specific jobs, they are no replacement for the Versatility, mobility and speed that his regular suit gives him - when he was beaten by Firepower he didn't just build a Big heavily armed suit and retaliate in kind, he instead went for a faster more mobile regular suit as his standard.
> When he was beaten by Ultimo he didn't opt for a bulky purpose built suit he instead went for a faster more versatile suit as his standard.... In both of these examples he designed the suit to replace his old one as well as adapting them to what actually defeated him.
>
> There is a reason he opts for the regular slimline suit he wears and a reason he only occasionally has to resort to a specially built one and that has a great deal to do with the formers mobility & speed.

attributes that nobody has come up with a credible reason as to why the Hulkbuster suit is not able to replicate.
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