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Jaysin1414

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Fifthchild

Subj: Re: It's there in black & white...
Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 at 11:19:04 am EDT
Reply Subj: Re: It's there in black & white...
Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 at 07:29:32 am EDT

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> The Argonaut was controlled "telepathically" thru Tony's Extremis powers. Both armors are being controlled from the same source....it knew what Tony was doing and reacting accordingly.

As I said elsewhere if you could read Supermans mind and know what his next move was gonna be how long do you think you woul last before he hit you. Or The Flash if the flying thing distracts from the argument.

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> There is literally NO evidence that the second HB armor has any super-speed at all. For example:
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> 1) The Hulkbuster required rockets to enhance it's punching speed and power, Extremis (be it standard or Argonaut) do not.
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> 2) It demonstrated NO ability to dodge any of the Hulk's punches. Both standard Extremis (dodging Mallen and Spider-Man EASILY) and Argonauts (gained upper hand on Namor underwater, avoided FF in air, avoided Iron Man's punches) DEMONSTRATE great speed and agility.

Tony never attempted to doge a blow. He rushed headlong to meet Hulk and deliver the nanites while Hulk pounded on the armor. He then punhed Hulk away. After that the rest of their fight takes place with Hulk right on top of him as the building comes down on them....no chance to dodge in that situation.

> 3) Hulkbuster was unfinished. In Iron Man #18, Tony states he wishes he had more time to finish it.

I agree.

> 4) Hulkbuster did not demonstrate ANY of the Extremis armors other capabilities: Stealth, full-spectrum Repulsor, Mechanical Intuition, Healing (Tony and suit), etc. Isn't it more realistic to surmise that if it doesn't have any of the other Extremis Armor abilities, that it proably doesn't have ANY of them at all, than to assume (even though it's NEVER demonstrated super-speed or reflexes) to assume it has just one of them (speed)?

I dont think so and as I have been pointing out in every post there is no logical reason to believe it doesn't have them.
hh

> It's like hearing hoofsteps and expecting to see a zebra...when the evidence is leading s to believe that it's just a horse. It's most likely a heavy-duty nanite delivery device, designed to let Tony get in close to the Hulk to deliver the silver bullet. Sabotage and betrayal foiled its test run...but that's okay. We all love the Hulk too and don't necessarily want to see him killed in his own mini-series.
>

> > The Argonaut was controlled "telepathically" thru Tony's Extremis powers. Both armors are being controlled from the same source....it knew what Tony was doing and reacting accordingly.
>
> As I said elsewhere if you could read Supermans mind and know what his next move was gonna be how long do you think you woul last before he hit you. Or The Flash if the flying thing distracts from the argument.
>
> >
> > There is literally NO evidence that the second HB armor has any super-speed at all. For example:
> >
> > 1) The Hulkbuster required rockets to enhance it's punching speed and power, Extremis (be it standard or Argonaut) do not.
> >
> > 2) It demonstrated NO ability to dodge any of the Hulk's punches. Both standard Extremis (dodging Mallen and Spider-Man EASILY) and Argonauts (gained upper hand on Namor underwater, avoided FF in air, avoided Iron Man's punches) DEMONSTRATE great speed and agility.
>
> Tony never attempted to doge a blow. He rushed headlong to meet Hulk and deliver the nanites while Hulk pounded on the armor. He then punhed Hulk away. After that the rest of their fight takes place with Hulk right on top of him as the building comes down on them....no chance to dodge in that situation.
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> > 3) Hulkbuster was unfinished. In Iron Man #18, Tony states he wishes he had more time to finish it.
>
> I agree.
>
> > 4) Hulkbuster did not demonstrate ANY of the Extremis armors other capabilities: Stealth, full-spectrum Repulsor, Mechanical Intuition, Healing (Tony and suit), etc. Isn't it more realistic to surmise that if it doesn't have any of the other Extremis Armor abilities, that it proably doesn't have ANY of them at all, than to assume (even though it's NEVER demonstrated super-speed or reflexes) to assume it has just one of them (speed)?
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> I dont think so and as I have been pointing out in every post there is no logical reason to believe it doesn't have them.
> hh
>
I couldn't disagree more. One might assume that it has them, but it is hardly logical. Logic demands supporting evidence, of which there is zero. None of the Extremis abilities are demonstrated from the outer HB exo-suit (if we're to assume that the lighter suit is underneath).

It's one thing to think that they'd be there, and that's okay, everyone is entitled to their own interpretation of a comic. It's another thing to wish they're there to hold onto a presupposed notion. However, it cannot be LOGICAL without evidence, by definition. Unfortunately, nothing the HB suit has shown supports the case that it has Extremis enhancements.

It didn't exhibit healing, the Extremis armor DOES heal (Iron Man: Inevitable Series).
It hasn't exhibited hyper-reaction/hyper-speed; Extremis DOES have speed (Iron Man #6 and beyond)
It doesn't exhibit the 360 degree repulsor; Extremis DOES have full-spectrum repulsor (Silent War #5; Mighty Avengers #1)
It doesn't exhibit magnetic pulse punch, instead relying upon rockets; Extremis DOES exhibit magnetic pulse punch (Iron Man #7) and potentially rocket punch as well (Iron Man #13)

While pointing out what Extremis qualities the HB armor lacks doesn't necessarily prove categorically that it isn't equivalent to the standard Extremis armor...it begs the question: If it didn't exhibit ANY Extremis qualities at all, why do you think it's logical to assume that it has them at all?

> > It's like hearing hoofsteps and expecting to see a zebra...when the evidence is leading s to believe that it's just a horse. It's most likely a heavy-duty nanite delivery device, designed to let Tony get in close to the Hulk to deliver the silver bullet. Sabotage and betrayal foiled its test run...but that's okay. We all love the Hulk too and don't necessarily want to see him killed in his own mini-series.
> >


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