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Braugi

Subj: Re: the limitation you speak of was really only shown in his fight with Fixit...
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 08:14:11 am EST (Viewed 1 times)
Reply Subj: the limitation you speak of was really only shown in his fight with Fixit...
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 06:56:06 pm EST

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> > > to rival/defeat him.Not saying they have the greatest teamwork, but SS would get caught by their attacks. Annihilation-SS should take it starting with stealth & ruthlessness with his powers to drop or kill each member quickly.
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> > Without teamwork, the UFoes really have little chance against him. His force feilds can keep Vapor completely at bay and he can protect himself from XRay and Vector with his other powers...and his invisibility means he can sneak up on them pretty well, and he's actually a bit stronger than Ironclad.
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> > XRay is the toughest, as he's insubstantial, so he could cause some problems, but for the most part, they don't have what it takes to tae himdown.
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> > Annhiliation Skrull wins handily, as does the version that fought the Eternals when side by side with Surfer...or the one that went toe to toe with Surfer, etc.
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> Unless, they changed it, he can only use two powers and feel comfortable with it. Also the Ufos came across as every bit as powerful as the FF at least, but with more versatility. They are just not heroes, but base villains.

not in any of the others.

They are typically peers to the FF, but Skrull has pretty much dominated the FF every time he's gone up against them.

Ironclad isn't as strong as the Thing, for instance, but has some mass manipulation powers. Vapor is powerful in a way, but nowhere NEAR as powerful as high end Sue. Xray and Vector are pretty comparable to Torch overall really.

Of them all, most of the Ufoes fall into the Johnny-Thing range, with Mr. Fantastic the lowest powered of the 8 and Sue the most powerful of the 8.

> > > > to rival/defeat him.Not saying they have the greatest teamwork, but SS would get caught by their attacks. Annihilation-SS should take it starting with stealth & ruthlessness with his powers to drop or kill each member quickly.
> > >
> > > Without teamwork, the UFoes really have little chance against him. His force feilds can keep Vapor completely at bay and he can protect himself from XRay and Vector with his other powers...and his invisibility means he can sneak up on them pretty well, and he's actually a bit stronger than Ironclad.
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> > > XRay is the toughest, as he's insubstantial, so he could cause some problems, but for the most part, they don't have what it takes to tae himdown.
> > >
> > > Annhiliation Skrull wins handily, as does the version that fought the Eternals when side by side with Surfer...or the one that went toe to toe with Surfer, etc.
> >
> > Unless, they changed it, he can only use two powers and feel comfortable with it. Also the Ufos came across as every bit as powerful as the FF at least, but with more versatility. They are just not heroes, but base villains.
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> not in any of the others.
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> They are typically peers to the FF, but Skrull has pretty much dominated the FF every time he's gone up against them.
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> Ironclad isn't as strong as the Thing, for instance, but has some mass manipulation powers.

Well to be fair, Ben started in the 5-10 ton range and got plenty of upgrades till he reached his 85 tons range, thanks to Reed's countless attempts to cure him, additional exposure to cosmic rays and other mutagenics, Galactus etc ... all adding to his enhancement.

Iron-Clad got his 60 or 70 tons from one exposure to the cosmic rays and he can manipulate his mass as well. Not to bad for the start.

> Vapor is powerful in a way, but nowhere NEAR as powerful as high end Sue. Xray and Vector are pretty comparable to Torch overall really.
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I never saw either Sue or Johnny rip a hole into the spacetime continuum or flay the Hulk alive. Vector did both of this things, which would definitely put him over Reed or Sue in terms of power. And while Vapor might be helpless against Sue's forcefield, Reed would also be helpless based on his powers alone against Vapor.

> Of them all, most of the Ufoes fall into the Johnny-Thing range, with Mr. Fantastic the lowest powered of the 8 and Sue the most powerful of the 8.

I disagree and would give high end Vector the nod of being the most powerful of the eight on account of his 'punching a hole into space' stunt.

And X-Ray did a nasty number on the original Human Torch, despite him being a more durable android. So a fight between both might more openended than you think.


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