Post By vermin	In Reply To Daveym  Moderator Location: Lancashire Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Subj: If?? If he has to breath, he's definitely flesh and blood. Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 02:37:59 pm EDT (Viewed 95 times)	Reply Subj: Good Points, Agree with You. Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 02:31:24 pm EDT (Viewed 98 times)
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> > > > > First of all, while Rulk is hella strong, I don't know that he is TWICE as strong as Thor, which is at least where Kurse is. > > > > But more importantly, Kurse is magically powered (or whatever energy the beyonder uses) and can exist in all environments. Rulk had to hold his breath in space!! Even WWH could breath in space. Zap the oxygen, he's done...eventually. Put him in space, HE'S DONE! He can't propel himself and he can't breath. This is NOT the formula for a herald buster. > > > > I am telling you, Rulk has been VERY effective in his run thus far, but he is still being overrated on this board. > > > > The Red Hulk is a character who's developed his own Legend here and it's very wrong because so much is a complete mystery about him. Too many assumptions are being made. > > Kurse was very very powerful, I don't think Thors current power-up is by all that much TBH so your assesment on comparable powerlevels is sound enough for me on the face of it. Magical types always have staggering stamina and durability compared to their counterparts and I guess it depends on whether the Red Hulk turns out to be Flesh & Blood or something else. I don't get the impression Jeph Loebs writes with any absolute scientific accuracy in mind, he just goes for simple thrills and the quick sell so it's all up in the air a bit. >
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BIG difference between Rulk and Kurse. · vermin · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 02:21:39 pm EDT  The difference is that Kurse was created by an intelligent, capable writer. Rulk? Nowhere near it. · MjolnirsPower · Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 06:29:52 pm EDT  while he can theoretically jump really well also, Kurse hasn't shown the mobility · Braugi · Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 07:36:48 am EDT  What? No Mobility? Kurse is an Asgardian ELF... even a pork-belly Elf has more agility/mobility than a top end Human does...sheesh....(NT) · Defensor · Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:55:04 am EDT  Re: What? No Mobility? Kurse is an Asgardian ELF... even a pork-belly Elf has more agility/mobility than a top end Human does...sheesh....(NT) · Braugi · Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:30:48 pm EDT  How do you figure who is more powerful? I simply can't come up with such a deduction with what I have (no text) · Would be Watcher · Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:43:52 am EDT  at this point, its little more than a guess... · Braugi · Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:34:46 pm EDT  I agree with Watcher on this. NT · Kadaj · Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:32:49 am EDT  Re: BIG difference between Rulk and Kurse. · bd2999 · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 11:58:09 pm EDT  And if we went by Durok's first appearance, we'd say he was superior to Thor. · vermin · Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 10:03:59 am EDT   Re: BIG difference between Rulk and Kurse. · Concordant · Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:32:44 am EDT  Re: BIG difference between Rulk and Kurse. · bd2999 · Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:08:55 am EDT  Re: BIG difference between Rulk and Kurse. · ArtTeacher · Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 02:36:30 pm EDT  Re: BIG difference between Rulk and Kurse. · beancurd · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 09:50:05 pm EDT  Re: BIG difference between Rulk and Kurse. · Fifthchild · Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 01:05:36 am EDT  Re: BIG difference between Rulk and Kurse. · gumbo · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 07:23:39 pm EDT  Then the 10000000000$ question is... · Would be Watcher · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 08:06:32 pm EDT  Re: Then the 10000000000$ question is... · gumbo · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 10:02:00 pm EDT  Re: Then the 10000000000$ question is... · Fifthchild · Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 01:02:33 am EDT  Re: Then the 10000000000$ question is... · Concordant · Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 01:05:09 am EDT  The need to breath is THE big difference?... it's not much to be honest... · Would be Watcher · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 04:25:46 pm EDT  What are you talking about? Death in disguise? So death can't breath in space?!?!? · vermin · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 04:33:58 pm EDT  I think you got the idea... · Would be Watcher · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 05:00:25 pm EDT  What are you talking about? We DO know he can't breath in space because he said so. · vermin · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 05:04:18 pm EDT  You got some kind of fixation on breathing do ya? · Would be Watcher · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 05:19:44 pm EDT  Yeah, it tends to keep you alive. Why did the writer specifically point out that..... · vermin · Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:56:52 am EDT  Actually... · Would be Watcher · Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:35:39 pm EDT  Re: Yeah, it tends to keep you alive. Why did the writer specifically point out that..... · Maestro · Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 10:56:39 am EDT  Re: What are you talking about? We DO know he can't breath in space because he said so. · Destroyer · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 05:18:59 pm EDT  Superman. He apparently has now been retconned to no longer being able to breathe in space. Has to now hold his breath like the rest of us. :-) (no text) · Maestro · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 04:40:55 pm EDT  Hasn't that been true since the Bryne era or has that gone back and forth since then?nt · gumbo · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 07:24:49 pm EDT  He learned to breathe in space after being taught how by Mongul but now seems to have regressed. (no text) · Maestro · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 07:28:23 pm EDT  Re: He learned to breathe in space after being taught how by Mongul but now seems to have regressed. · gumbo · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 10:03:43 pm EDT  I wonder if the word "Official" means anything today (no text) · Would be Watcher · Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 07:31:19 am EDT  So all you can come up with is a retcon? I think my point has been made. · vermin · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 04:46:48 pm EDT  Re: So all you can come up with is a retcon? I think my point has been made. · Destroyer · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 05:23:08 pm EDT  Dude, he said he was holding his breath. There's no way you can spin that. (no text) · vermin · Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 10:00:15 am EDT  So is Superman not Herald level now ? I might not like the character much but even I wouldn't take that away from him. (no text) · Maestro · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 04:48:47 pm EDT  First of all, this is the first I am hearing of this. Secondly, how long with it last? · vermin · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 04:58:52 pm EDT  It was depicted in both Supergirl's title and in the previous issue (start of the Atlas arc) of Superman. · Maestro · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 05:04:23 pm EDT  True but... · Would be Watcher · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 05:28:14 pm EDT  Re: True but... · Fifthchild · Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:51:30 am EDT  Whats the difference between the two ? Sure, they both beat Thor...but Rulk did it with STYLE. :-D (no text) · Maestro · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 03:07:38 pm EDT  True, but on the other hand Thor did beat Kurse one on one... · Chen · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 05:13:55 pm EDT  You sure about that.. · Bird-Man of Akah Ma'at · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 10:51:58 pm EDT  LOL! You never get tired, do you? Pray Thor doesn't embarass Rulk and you in the end! (no text) · vermin · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 03:27:17 pm EDT  If either Rhulk or Kurse were put in outerspace, they would not be able to engage each other.... · Defensor · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 02:34:59 pm EDT  Rulk would die and Kurse would exist indefinitely. · vermin · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 02:36:41 pm EDT  Would he? · Fifthchild · Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:57:56 am EDT  He said he needed to hold his breath, so yes.  If he didn't need to, he wouldn't have told us he did.  Not hard. · vermin · Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 10:07:01 am EDT  ....Did you read anything I said IN the actual post or just ignore it? NT · Fifthchild · Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 10:25:45 pm EDT  yes, but they wouldn't be able to fight, which is why I said a draw in that respect....(NT) · Defensor · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 02:37:54 pm EDT  But I wasn't talking about a match up, just a comparison to illustrate Rulk's limitations. (no text) · vermin · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 02:39:14 pm EDT  Well Super Sayans couldn't breathe in space either. But bring me a Galactic Herald who could beat a SSJ3 (no text) · Maestro · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 03:12:55 pm EDT  a group of Saiyans went into space to challenge Freiza..that's where Goku's dad died. nt · Rehzon · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 04:21:47 pm EDT  Goku's Dad didn't die from lack of air. he died from being caught in Freiza's giant energy attack. (no text) · Maestro · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 04:34:59 pm EDT  Yeah, they only had super strength, super combat speed and flight and EP that could destroy planets. (no text) · vermin · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 03:26:29 pm EDT  But the point is, you are attempting to use the need for air to breathe as a prerequisite for Herald Buster. Sayans need air. (no text) · Maestro · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 03:29:31 pm EDT  Actually, when have Sayins ever counted here?? (no text) · vermin · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 04:10:38 pm EDT  No more than "breathing air" has particularly counted in determining where to rank a character. (no text) · Maestro Maestro · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 04:14:31 pm EDT  How about not breathing in space AND not being able to fly??? Hmmm???? (no text) · vermin · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 04:16:24 pm EDT  LOL... that didn't stop him from purposely taking Thor INTO space and beating him there. :-P (no text) · Maestro who thinks thats not bad at all for a non-flying, air breathing Brick. · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 04:36:53 pm EDT  HE WAS HOLDING HIS BREATH and had a plan to get back to Earth. · vermin · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 04:39:52 pm EDT  Re: HE WAS HOLDING HIS BREATH and had a plan to get back to Earth. · Destroyer · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 08:37:43 pm EDT  So what was he holding his breath then? Obviously, there was some advantage gained. · vermin · Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 10:25:47 am EDT  Says you. · Fifthchild · Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 10:36:17 pm EDT  To be quite honest you don't know that. Sure he might eventually go unconscious over time... · Maestro · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 04:46:20 pm EDT  Because of the Hulk's jumping ability, they've never had problems dealing with flyers. (no text) · Concordant · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 04:27:45 pm EDT  Please, he'd have trouble fighting "fliers" in space. Thanos killed him by letting him float away in IG. (no text) · vermin · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 04:38:20 pm EDT  Fliers have to get him into space first. Just ask Gladiator how difficult that can be. :-) (no text) · Maestro · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 04:47:33 pm EDT  How about punching his ass into space??? · vermin · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 04:57:20 pm EDT  Can a punch hit harder than an ODIN POWERED Thor's hammer blows which Thor explicitly said were meant to kill ? · Maestro · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 05:07:48 pm EDT  Re: Can a punch hit harder than an ODIN POWERED Thor's hammer blows which Thor explicitly said were meant to kill ? · gumbo · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 07:22:31 pm EDT  Re: Can a punch hit harder than an ODIN POWERED Thor's hammer blows which Thor explicitly said were meant to kill ? · paolo · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 07:14:17 pm EDT  A couple tourney's ago, Zvelf's best of 7 tourney, I played SS Goku, and won a majority in at least one or two rounds of play with him.... · Defensor · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 04:13:31 pm EDT  In space? · vermin · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 04:17:23 pm EDT  Only for as long as they can hold their breath. (no text) · Maestro · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 04:37:39 pm EDT  And then they would die, just like Rulk. (no text) · vermin · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 04:41:02 pm EDT  But again... can you find for me any "space breathing" Galactic Herald that can hang with a high end SSJ ? (no text) · Maestro · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 04:43:28 pm EDT  So you understand that you are mixing an anime universe with a comic universes? · vermin · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 05:00:08 pm EDT  Actually... DBZ was originally a japanese comic (a manga). funimation merely took the books and ran off to Cartoon network with them. (no text) · Maestro · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 05:09:57 pm EDT  Key word "Japanese." (no text) · vermin · Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 10:27:49 am EDT  Yeah, I got 3 words for you....THE PINKY BLAST....it destroyed a planet don't you know....(NT) (no text) · Defensor · Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:33:20 pm EDT  Good Points, Agree with You. · Daveym  · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 02:31:24 pm EDT  If?? If he has to breath, he's definitely flesh and blood. (no text) · vermin · Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 02:37:59 pm EDT

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