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Maestro

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Braugi

Subj: All you're basically saying then that like everything else, there are verying levels in Herald Buster.
Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 05:18:55 pm EDT (Viewed 35 times)
Reply Subj: the problem with that take, however, is it runs counter to the way every other
Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 05:09:36 pm EDT



> level disparity tends to work. As the other levels stand now, only a top end in one level vs. a bottom end in the same level is likely to elicit 7-8/10 wins, and even that is questionable and they're good fights. A low end herald is likely to beat a mid tier PM maybe 6/10 times, all close fights, and squeak a win against a top end PM.
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> A high end Herald vs. a low to mid range PM probably dominates, however, 9/10, most fights not too difficult...a win from the PM is akin to when Iron Man has beaten Surfer...he was definitively out of his class, but pulled the upset (twice)
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> As such, if a character wins a solid 7/10 against most heralds, yes, he's probably a low end heraldbuster/teambuster. If they win 7/10 against a top end herald like Surfer, Morg, Thor, etc, then they're DEFINATELY in the heraldbuster range.
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> If it gets to the point where they TOO casually dismiss herald levellers on a regular basis, then according to the way the other levels are set up to work, it should probably be 2 levels up from herald.
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Thus a top end Herald Buster (Thanos) would be able to dismiss a top end Herald (SS). Likewise a mid level Herald Buster such as "pre" MA Sentry and Rulk (who to be honest I'm leaning toward high end HB but we have to see more from him to be sure) are able to casually own low to mid range Heralds such Terrax and Thor but would have to work a bit harder to defeat the high end Surfer level Heralds.

Any Herald busters below these levels could quite conceivably be borderline High End Heralds who are "masquerading" as Herald Busters. \:\-\)

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> > > mostly because, for the most part, a typical member of one category is usually NOT going to absolutely destroy a typical member of a category one step below them. Most PM's can be competitive with heralds, or even beat heralds 50% or more if specific matchups favor them.
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> > > Immortal Hercules has shown the capacity to fight Firelord evenly, seemed to be at least even with Frankie Raye, and has fought Thor evenly enough times that it clearly illustrates the point.
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> > > Classic Magneto, during the days when he was clearly PM was a substantial fight for Thor, and would probably win 2/10 or so against him, the way they usually fought...and Thor would NOT have destroyed him on a consistent basis.
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> > > Likewise, most high end streets have proven substantial threats to meta level opposition...Punisher was a VERY real threat to Wolverine, for instance.
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> > > Heralds should LOSE to 'heraldbusters', but might well be able to put up a good fight and hold their own for a while. For instance, while I would put the Destroyer armor in the heraldbuster/teambuster category, Thor HAS shown the capacity to fight it for a substantial amount of time and hold his own. Even the Thing has a good showing against it! The guys that heralds CAN beat, but are the definate underdog against are really what we're looking for...guys like Jurgens' Mangog are perfect...Thor was beaten consistently, but showed he DOES have the capacity to pull an upset.
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> > I understand what you're saying and I think thats why Amor Fati put in the "without much effort" claus into his definition of Herald busters being able to defeat Herald classes. So if the Herald Buster defeats the Herald but its a good fight where you could see that the Herald could steal a couple victories of his own in a "best of 10" match up, then that Herald Buster's ranking is suspect. but if we see the Herald Buster owning the Herald in such a way that you get the sense he could have killed the Herald at any time had he wanted to... that even the thought of a rematch is laughable... thats a Herald Buster. Just my opinion.
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> > > > ... which is being able to either annihilate a genuine Herald class with little effort or being able to fight groups of Heralds or Prime Metas. So tell me... what does being unable to defeat the Silver Surfer have to do with the definitions above seeing as there are all types and levels of Herald classes ?
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> > > > Its with those definitions in mind that I chose my list.
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