| > > his psi won't work offensively, his phasing won't really let him hurt Thanos, and his Martian Vision doesn't likely pack enough punch to be much of a factor...|
> > BUT
> > Jonn has high end combat superspeed, is strong enough to affect him to some degree, has effective shapeshifting powers when they're used to their full ability that makes him kind of a juggernaught of destruction, his psi might let him 'read' what Thanos is doing like Fernus was able to do with the JLA, and his phasing COULD effectively protect him from most of Thanos' attacks.
> 1. He's not going to touch Thanos' mind. No one has.
Thats people actively trying to pierce Thanos' mental defenses, however. Passively reading his thoughts is not an impossibility...maybe an improbability, but while Moondragon is VERY potent, Jonn's passive use of telepathy seems more consistently top end than hers, while her offensive use is more impressive than his.
| > 2. Thanos has dealt with the Runner w/space gem so speed isn't a huge factor against someone who got pwned in that department by Kara.|
IIRC Thanos used the time gem to beat the runner...and the Runner destroyed Thanos' ship in that conflict...so without the gem, Thanos was in trouble...oh, and Thanos had prep for that fight as well. As such, if MM starts nailing him, he can put Thanos on the defensive and make it a tough fight.
| > 3. MM is not going to beat Thanos physically. |
Spider Man has KO'd Firelord and had Eric Masterson Thor on the ropes. Jonn is hitting harder and faster, with dozens of limbs that can come to a point and hit like a sword striking him with near Superman level force. Yes, when Jonn fights that way (like he did against the amalgamated form of the Saturnians), he can certainly hurt, and even KO Thanos.
| > 4. One ominidirectional blast and MM is on the floor. Thanos can also use tk/matter manip (or whatever he did to the Fallen One) and lobotomize J'Onn. Or he could just beat him to death like he did Surfer. Or bfr him like he did Champion.|
If MM is reacting faster than Thanos, he becomes intangible and the blast passes right through him. At his high end showings, the best Thanos can do with an attempt to 'lobotomize' Jonn will move Jonn's flesh around...he's regrown from a small portion of his body and his entire head has been caved in, and he simply recovered instantly. Jonn moves faster, evades Thanos' punches or phases through them, so Thanos has a hard time even hurting Jonn.
Jonn RARELY fights like that, but did a few times under Ostrander IIRC.
| > I see no way for J'onn to ko Thanos. I see many ways for Thanos to kill J'onn.|
Oh, I see several ways of Thanos taking Jonn down as well, but when Jonn is operating at FULL efficiency, he has answers to ALL of those methods and yes, he DOES have the capacity for taking Thanos down.
| > > As such, he would have a shot at winning a confrontation, especially if he took Thanos from surprise. Thanos is the definitive favorite, but IF Jonn fights him with all of his abilities in unison, he has a shot...|
> > > >
> > > > Martian Manhunter Has read the File On Thanos so knows the Score, tracking him to his lair in New Mexico he prepares to engage the Mad Titan... Thanos has only minimal knowledge of his foe so how does it go
> > > >
> > >
> > > that DC heroes are exponentially stronger and more durable than their Marvel counterparts this is not a contest. Thanos' eternal molecular control negates the Martain's phasing, his tech negates invisibility, his strength/durability has taken hits/blasts from Odin and Galactus, his mind has resisted probing from Moondragon w/infinity gem.
> > >
> > > And that's just his defense.
> > >
> > > Giving MM full knowledge of Thanos is nice but giving Thanos even a hint of who he has to face is just MURDER.
> > >
> > > Seriously, Thanos 11/10.