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Maximum Man

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Subj: Re: Finally finished the Seige#1 WHAT IS THE PROBLEM THOR FANS!
Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 at 03:46:03 pm EST (Viewed 115 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Finally finished the Seige#1 WHAT IS THE PROBLEM THOR FANS!
Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 at 01:25:01 pm EST (Viewed 207 times)



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    I've no great personal investment in Thor but by any standard Siege's takedown just didn't convince at all. The issue started with Volstagg enduring a similar level of firepower just fine,


Max Man: No that wasn't the same at all. The U-Foes weren't trying to kill Volstagg. They were just there to pick a fight long enough to get some innocent people killed, have it be blamed on Volstagg, then disappear. If they had cut loose with everything they had and killed Volstagg, that would have messed up the plan.


It may have been the writing at fault or it may have been the artist but if Thor is still perfectly concious and standing after the explosion and is lucid enough that he can threaten the goon squad only to get apparently floored by a poor version of Iron Man.... well, it's not very flattering. \(fear\)

Max Man: When the were attacking Thor, Osborn ordered everyone to cut loose. Their intent was clear. They were trying to kill Thor. They weren't holding back.

And the fact that even when their intent was to kill, the only thing that blast did was just KO Thor, that actually shows how tough Thor is.


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    The revamp of Thor gave us so much, not so much his power being notably upped, just the integrity and sheer respect given to the character and the way he was approached by the writer/artist. This was mythic stuff.



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    The succesful Characters like Thor, The Hulk or even Majestic flourish by the respect the publisher showers them with. That doesn't just mean toplevel showings and an ackowledgement of their supremacy in their universe it means showing you as the publisher take that characters status as the companys powerhouse and topdog seriously. That's what the JMS revamp gave us.



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    So after his very public exit from the book over the notable fact Marvel wanted Thor up front & centre again in the MU it appears to have very unsavory implications that Thor will inevitably be treated as story fodder and a second fiddle dumb powerhouse as he was during the 90s and beyond.... no one really wants that cavalier attitude to the character to return as apart from diluting him it was a good part of what degraded his popularity and eventually got him cancelled. No one wants a supposed company powerhouse who is seemingly inadequate to whatever the latest threat or johnny-come-lately superhero might be, that's why Sentry should sensibly go at this point, Thor is Marvels original powerhouse and Go-To strong-guy and that integrity needs supported by Marvel after such a successful & popular re-imagining. They are seemingly wasting all that good work and falling into bad habits with the character.



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    You can maybe look to his defeat by the Red Hulk as the forebearer to this latest incident, while humiliatingly crushing at least that defeat had a comeback with Thor scoring a win of sorts against this extremely powerful and enigmatic new villain.



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    With the U-Foes and Osborn though it's a different dynamic and a set of opponents he really should have been able to handle based on past history and showings....


Max Man: Thor fans want Marvel to treat him the same way DC treats Superman.

But the problem is Superman is a "core" character of the DC universe. And because of that, he gets a lot of attention and a degree of deference that many other characters do not get.

Thor is an important character with a rich history, but he isn't a core character of the Marvelverse in the way Superman is at DC. He isn't going to be treated with the same amount of deference as Spider-Man is for example. The sooner the Thor fans understand and accept that the Marvel Universe isn't a clone of the DC universe and their universes don't operate the same way, the better.





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