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Bk Ray
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zvelf

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Subj: Sorry Zvelf, but you are grasping.
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 at 11:38:30 am EST (Viewed 109 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Ignore anything that contradicts you
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 at 07:36:37 am EST (Viewed 123 times)




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        BK Ray implied that in saying Superman has won every time they've fought, and you were agreeing with him.

      He is right, Superman has won 100% when they fought. How do jump from that to he's going to win 100% of the time? Your anger clouds your thinking.

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    As if I'm going to get angry over a comic book debate. I think someone's projecting.


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        This only shows that you pick and choose what you want to hold up as valid in the comics. For you, the result of the fight is fine, but something else in the same comic story you dismiss. Why would Busiek write this awkward scene this way if not as an excuse to point out Thor's confidence while saying he's taken Superman's measure - basically a way to say that Thor could very well win in another fight. You keep saying that I'm offering my points to dismiss the result of the actual fight when that's not my point at all, which I've already pointed out to you. It's like you want to argue against a straw argument.


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        Nope. You're the one straying from the point, which is Superman won that fight in a printed story That story has more weight than all the combined opinions on this board. Again, that was a solid win for Superman and would indicate that he would win more often than not and therefore deserves to be the #1 choice in the OP's category. Thor's boasting by no means has more weight than getting knocked TFO. Busiek had Aquaman saying "Errrr, what do you mean, Thor? You got KTFO."

      You keep saying the evidence I brought up is to show Superman did not win the fight. That's stupid because I think Superman did win the fight. My evidence is simply to point out that Busiek himself is pointing out that the fight was extremely close and Thor could easily win in a rematch. That doesn't discount Superman's win. It just adds more information, information you want to ignore. However, when I point out that Surfer was waylaid by a brick, you don't want to ignore other information. I wonder why.
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            Again, you pick and choose what you want from the comics because you'd like Surfer to be more powerful than a brick. I think I'd be obtuse if I went around insisting that the Silver Surfer's durability can't take getting hit by a brick and then pointed out to you that anything you say to the contrary is wrong because what the writer wrote is worth 1000 times more than your opinion.


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            LOL, talk about straw man. Seriously, lol.

          That's not a strawman argument, and here's why. As I just said, when I point out that Surfer was waylaid by a brick, you don't want to ignore other information that counters that. That reveals your hypocrisy. The author is the sole arbiter when you want it to be the case, but isn't when you don't want it to be the case.
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                Likewise, non-writers can see evidence that Thor has beaten opponents with Superman's same power set numerous times from Gladiator to Hyperion and draw the conclusion that one fight doesn't trump all available evidence. Thor beat Captain Marvel (Billy Batson) in a non-voted fight in a previous Marvel-DC crossover, and he's practically a Superman clone who has fought Superman to a draw numerous times over the decades and shown equal strength and equal durability. So you can say that this one fight is the only one that matters and that no non-writer's opinion matters, but by your same logic, well, that Surfer sure can't take a brick.

              Again with the mental contortions to make such a simple fact fuzzy because you disagree with the result and causes you anger. The story > opinion. Regardless of how much it triggering it causes. Period.

              I'm quite amused that you think I'm angry when it's becoming clearer and clearer that the anger is coming from you. You can dismiss evidence and logic as contortions because I'm pointing out your hypocrisy, but there's no difference between looking at other in-comic evidence that Thor would beat Superman and other in-comic evidence that Surfer can withstand a brick.

      Surfer being taken out by a brick on some weird adventure is an outlier, when compared to tanking direct punches from She Hulk and Rhino without flinching.

      Thor being ko'd by Superman in a major intercompany crossover sanctioned after agreement by both Marvel and DC writers and editorial is a statement of who would win.

      Yes, Thor did come out with some brag comment which wasn't said to Superman directly and yes Aquaman did scoff at the idea. 







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